Hakan, I was in Sweden in 1985 on a course with Ericcsson for 8 months. I found Sweden high taxed, but using the tax money to help the residents. One example would be that rent was subsidised. Probably Sweden has changed a lot from those days, but I know the political stability has helped the country grow, and the Swedish people with it.
regards Doug On Saturday 27 August 2005 9:03, Hakan Falk wrote: > Chuck, > > What do you know about this and it was not long ago that US also had > an 80% top tax bracket. The Swedish tax laws are modelled after the > US, but you are right in that Sweden have 80% were US have 60-70%. > Then we come to deductions etc, and the picture is not that clear. US > and Sweden is much closer than many belive. > > Tax laws are not that simple, but on social security for its > citizens, Sweden is far better than US. According to general living > standard it is statistically far better than US, first or second > place in the world, were US is in the 6 to 8 bracket. > > Sweden with a total population (8 million), around half of Paris, > London or New York, have an amazing number of successful > international corporations. > > Hakan > > At 05:47 27/08/2005, you wrote: > >So you think Sweden is a sucess? Try living there with a tax rate of 70%. > > > >Chuck > > > > >From: TarynToo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > >To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo > > >Chavez > > >Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:42:00 -0400 > > > > > >It's impossible to say "Communism would've collapsed even w/o our > > >"help"", since every state that has attempted communism, with few > > >exceptions, has been destroyed by the U.S.A. and its allies using some > > >combination of economic warfare, bribery and corruption, economic and > > >military support of 'counter-revolutionaries', and support of handy > > >fascist states. > > > > > >The exceptions? > > >China, which was so isolationist and so poor that it wasn't seen as any > > >great threat, and whose own leaders were always so corrupt that it was > > >only communist in name. > > >Israel, whose experiments with small scale communes were instrumental > > >in the technological, social, and economic success of the country. > > >Lots of western and northern european countries have either dabbled in > > >communism (e.g. Italy), or socialism, (e.g. Sweden) with much success, > > >and without the grotesque economic inequalities seen here in the USA. > > ><http://www.pkarchive.org/economy/ForRicher.html> > > > > > >And of course our most repugnant attack on communism and socialism > > >continues within our own borders, with the state sanctioned murders and > > >beatings of union organizers, persecution and prosecution of accused > > >communists, the unending pro-business, anti-communist propaganda, > > >McCarthy's witch hunts. (now re-invented as the Patriot acts), and the > > >almost complete sellout of media and government to commercial > > >interests. > > > > > >I'm sure that many will take exception to everything I've said. Feel > > >free to use facts to support your position. > > > > > >Oh... Mike, as I re-read this before posting, it seemed like I might be > > >attacking you. Actually I agree with everything you said, except > > >(maybe) that communism always fails. > > > > > >Thanks, Taryn > > >ornae.com > > > > > >On Aug 26, 2005, at 7:08 PM, Mike Weaver wrote: > > > > Ah, I think Communism would've collapsed even w/o our "help" - it > > > > blew up in places even where we weren't meddling. > > > > My own thoughts are realistic Capitalism - a reasonably regulated > > > > free market economy and a pragmatic federal government. > > > > Think, oh, Finland. I do think the Constitution allows for national > > > > health insurance: Quote: > > > > > > > > We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect > > > > Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility > > > > <http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#DOMTRAN>, provide for > > > > the common defence <http://www.usconstitution.net/constmiss.html>, > > > > promote the general Welfare > > > > <http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#WELFARE>, and secure the > > > > Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity > > > > <http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#POSTERITY>, do ordain > > > > <http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#ORDAIN> and establish > > > > this Constitution for the United States of America. > > > > > > > > Falls under general Welfare > > > > > > > > Andy Karpay wrote: > > > >> ... > > > >> It was stated here earlier, but the US is responsible for Allende's > > > >> death in Chile (1973?), Guevara's death, death in Honduras > > > >> (Iran-Contra > > > >> scheme where arms were sold to Iran, our "ally" of the day, and the > > > >> proceeds sent to the death squads in Honduras), on and on. > > > >> It is stated many times in this country that "communism has failed" > > > >> therefore it is no good. The truth is that much of communism's > > > >> failure, > > > >> in this hemisphere particularly, is due to our country's > > > >> intervention to > > > >> ensure the demise of democratically elected leaders (you can, and we > > > >> do > > > >> have democratic communism). The US's fear is that if the country is > > > >> communist, then we cannot exploit the labor and resources for our > > > >> own gain, and the gain of the wealthy. Remember, without poverty > > > >> there is no wealth. > > > >> > > > >> AK > > > >> > > > >> ... > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Biofuel mailing list > > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or > > >g > > > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > >messages): > > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
