Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost

Ian Hodgson Mon, 05 Sep 2005 01:56:30 -0700

Your so right tallex, I would add people of concience need to become more outspoken more public more active if we are to win the wars.

What wars I think the first war is the battle to save humanity, we need to sway the mind of MR/MRS Average from that of the self endulgent self centered consumerist. To people who live value centered lives. Then maybe we (the people of the western world) will not be so willing to be bought off by all the things that affect our bottom line ie interest rates and tax cuts, infaltion figures.

When we are given the price of alternative energies for example, they(politicians) speak as though the environment is at thier disposal to either take into account or not, when your at the accountants you are not allowed to say "don't include the cost of that" yet Bush and my Prime Minister John Howard seem to think they have a right to do that just by, for example, ignoring the Kyoto treaty.

The bible says what shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world but lose his own soul.

I believe we are in the middle of a great irony we are loosing our souls in an attempt to gain the world but the irony is who will want to live in this world after the worst of humanities greed has finished with it.

So the first war is for the hearts of the people, then the second war (to save the plannet) can be won.

So what am I trying to say, in a nuthell some should be ativists for their beliefs, some should even be prepared to be jailed, some should be educators some letterwritters to papers and some talk on radio some should talk to their children parents relatives and guide them, all should be true to what they know is right and be themselves, and I think if enough people do things like that , maybe enough people will stop voting with thier wallets so that the big changes that we all need can actually happen.

regards

Ian

"Alt.EnergyNetwork" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Big deal,
He cut 2 days off his vacation to do this
...all for the cameras. As noted by others below, he was the one who
cut army core of engineers budget
for urgent repair on sinking dykes and improvements to flood control systems.

He is the one who continues to distort sound science, the problems
of global warming and weakening the environmental protection act.
As mentioned by others as well, he is the one who has troops, vital
rescue equipment in Iraq when needed here NOW.
The lack of a well planned rapid advanced response to this disaster is a shame.
There are many hard questions that will need answers in the months to come.

regards
tallex

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-------Original Message-------
> From: Greg and April <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
> Sent: 03 Sep '05 03:33
>
> He spent the day on the ground today, walking parts of New Orleans, and
> Mississippi.
>
> Just like 9/11, it was a few days after it happened.
>
> Greg H.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 20:45
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> I personally can't believe all he did was fly by in his jet and look
> down.  This is a catastrophe far worse than 9/11 and all he does is a
> fly by?
> I can't even get started on Iraq because I don't want to get wound up
> right now.
>
> Hakan Falk wrote:
>
> >Mike,
> >
> >LOL, you did a very good joke, I liked it.
> >
> >Hakan
> >
> >At 16:53 02/09/2005, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Whine whine.  At least he caught Osama Bin Laden, just like he promised.
> >>
> >>Hakan Falk wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Taryn,
> >>>
> >>>You must admit that he killed many more in Iraq for the money,
> >>>he is responsible for those death also, maybe he call that
> >>>efficiency instead. More killed for the money. I can guarantee
> >>>that the pictures of devastated people that we now see from
> >>>Orleans, have been going on for many years in Iraq. So it is
> >>>not only Bush fault, he only raised the bar and achieved much
> >>>more in shorter time frame.
> >>>
> >>>When media show the desperation among the Iraqi people, it
> >>>is not many who cares, maybe Orleans will create more of
> >>>compassion for the country that US occupy. The homes that
> >>>are destroyed and people killed in Iraq, are 100's times more
> >>>than Orleans.
> >>>
> >>>Hakan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>At 08:38 02/09/2005, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Wow, nice catch Bede, Fits right in with "is there blame?"
> >>>>
> >>>>I just love to blame stuff on Bush and his cronies. Except...I'm not
> >>>>sure that all the kings men could have put Orleans together again.
> >>>>
> >>>>Certainly, having pissed away the country's emergency resources, Bush
> >>>>is responsible for many of the deaths in La and Ms. Kinda like stupid
> >>>>kids who empty the fire extinguishers in school.  But I think Katrina,
> >>>>and years of head-in-the-sand development is what drowned Orleans.
> >>>>
> >>>>taryn
> >>>>http://ornae.com/
> >>>>
> >>>>On Sep 1, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Bede wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10062.htm
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>How New Orleans Was Lost
> >>>>>
> >>>>>By Paul Craig Roberts
> >>>>>
> >>>>>09/01/05 "Antiwar" -- -- Chalk up the city of New Orleans as a cost of
> >>>>>Bush's Iraq war.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>There were not enough helicopters to repair the breached levees and
> >>>>>rescue
> >>>>>people trapped by rising water. Nor are there enough Louisiana National
> >>>>>Guardsmen available to help with rescue efforts and to patrol against
> >>>>>looting.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The situation is the same in Mississippi.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The National Guard and helicopters are off on a fool's mission in Iraq.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The National Guard is in Iraq because fanatical neoconservatives in
> >>>>>the Bush
> >>>>>administration were determined to invade the Middle East and because
> >>>>>incompetent Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld refused to listen to the
> >>>>>generals,
> >>>>>who told him there were not enough regular troops available to do the
> >>>>>job.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>After the invasion, the arrogant Rumsfeld found out that the generals
> >>>>>were
> >>>>>right. The National Guard was called up to fill in the gaping gaps.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Now the Guardsmen, trapped in the Iraqi quagmire, are watching on TV
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>families they left behind trapped by rising waters and wondering if the
> >>>>>floating bodies are family members. None know where their dislocated
> >>>>>families are, but, shades of Fallujah, they do see their destroyed
> >>>>>homes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The mayor of New Orleans was counting on helicopters to put in place
> >>>>>massive
> >>>>>sandbags to repair the levee. However, someone called the few
> >>>>>helicopters
> >>>>>away to rescue people from rooftops. The rising water overwhelmed the
> >>>>>massive pumping stations, and New Orleans disappeared under deep water.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>What a terrible casualty of the Iraqi war one of our oldest and most
> >>>>>beautiful cities, a famous city, a historic city.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Distracted by its phony war on terrorism, the U.S. government had made
> >>>>>no
> >>>>>preparations in the event Hurricane Katrina brought catastrophe to New
> >>>>>Orleans. No contingency plan existed. Only now after the disaster are
> >>>>>FEMA
> >>>>>and the Corps of Engineers trying to assemble the material and
> >>>>>equipment to
> >>>>>save New Orleans from the fate of Atlantis.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Even worse, articles in the New Orleans Times-Picayune and public
> >>>>>statements
> >>>>>by emergency management chiefs in New Orleans make it clear that the
> >>>>>Bush
> >>>>>administration slashed the funding for the Corps of Engineers'
> >>>>>projects to
> >>>>>strengthen and raise the New Orleans levees and diverted the money to
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>Iraq war.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, told
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>New Orleans Times-Picayune (June 8, 2004): "It appears that the money
> >>>>>has
> >>>>>been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and
> >>>>>the war
> >>>>>in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is
> >>>>>happy that
> >>>>>the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to
> >>>>>make the
> >>>>>case that this is a security issue for us."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Why can't the U.S. government focus on America's needs and leave other
> >>>>>countries alone? Why are American troops in Iraq instead of protecting
> >>>>>our
> >>>>>own borders from a mass invasion by illegal immigrants? Why are
> >>>>>American
> >>>>>helicopters blowing up Iraqi homes instead of saving American homes in
> >>>>>New
> >>>>>Orleans?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>How can the Bush administration be so incompetent as to expose
> >>>>>Americans at
> >>>>>home to dire risks by exhausting American resources in foolish foreign
> >>>>>adventures? What kind of "homeland security" is this?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>All Bush has achieved by invading Iraq is to kill and wound thousands
> >>>>>of
> >>>>>people while destroying America's reputation. The only beneficiaries
> >>>>>are oil
> >>>>>companies capitalizing on a good excuse to jack up the price of
> >>>>>gasoline and
> >>>>>Osama bin Laden's recruitment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>What we have is a Republican war for oil company profits while New
> >>>>>Orleans
> >>>>>sinks beneath the waters.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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