Hi Keith, The methane issue is something to be considered. Methane gas is 24 times more potent as a green house gas than CO2. Also in some areas of the planet such as the province of British Columbia, Canada, many good forests are clear cut to supply grazing land for ranchers. Those big evergreen trees they cut down are great carbon sinks. People who consume mostly organic, unprocessed fruits, vegetables, whole grains, seeds and nuts are healthier according to many studies done on this including a study done at Harvard University. I do agree that small farms are better for the environment than factory farms. Eating food that is grown locally by small organic growers is probably the best for the environment. (less food miles) Terry Dyck
>From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Save energy, eat green >Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:03:14 +0900 > >Hi Bob > > >Hi again, > > This from the December 17 edition of the UK-based New > >Scientist. > >Regards, > >Bob. > > > >Save energy, eat green > > > >Are you considering switching to more eco-friendly fuels and means > >of transportation? You could do more by going vegan, say two > >University of Chicago researchers. > >Sigh... They didn't quote David Pimentel perhaps did they? > >You could do a hell of a lot more by getting away from industrialised >agriculture, and then you'd find that sustainable farming just isn't >sustainable unless you include animals, but these folks just aren't >interested in hearing that news, they'll bend nature right out of >shape rather than hear it. > >For the umpteenth time: > > >> >>>Some people really hate it (and hate me) when I say these things, >but > >> >>>there is no sustainable way of raising plants without animals. There > >> >>>is no traditional farming system that doesn't used animals, and >never > >> >>>has been. It just doesn't work - soil fertility sooner or later > >> >>>fails, and then everything else fails too. Likewise in nature mixed > >> >>>farming is the rule, plants are always found with animals. God can't > >> >>>do it, and neither can we. Sustainable farms are mixed, integrated > >> >>>farms. > >Mumble mumble... > > >Gidon Eshel and Pamela Martin looked at the amount of fossil fuel > >used in the cultivation of various foods. This included the running > >of agricultural machinery, crop irrigation and the provision of food > >for livestock. Other factors considered were the emission of methane > >and nitrous oxide gases produced by stock animals and their manure. > >They found that the typical US diet, of which about 28 per cent > >comes from animal sources, generated the equivalent of nearly 1.5 > >tonnes of carbon dioxide per person per year more than a vegan diet > >with the same number of calories. By comparison, the difference in > >annual emissions from an average saloon car and a hybrid > >energy-efficient vehicle is just over a tonne. > >However, the eco-friendly meat-eater needn't rush off and join a > >vegan commune. The article advises there is an alternative: eat > >less-processed animal products and poultry instead of red meat > >and thus help reduce greenhouse gases. > >The nonsense I see from vegetarian proselytisers these days, >especially vegan ones, really is not good testimony to the effects of >their diet on their brain chemicals. They can't think straight, >they're just denialists. > >The red meat thing is another load of crap. > >"As yet, I have not found a single group.....which was building and >maintaining excellent bodies by living entirely on plant foods....In >every instance where groups involved had been long under this >teaching, I found evidence of degeneration" -- Nutrition and Physical >Degeneration, by Weston A. Price, 1939. The source you can't argue >with - though you can twist it, distort it and ignore it. Like veggie >Dermot Donnelly's weirdly blind and ever more furious attempts to do >just that here recently. > >I'm sorry to see New Scientist and people like George Monbiot >supporting this kind of nonsense, they should know better. I think >they should all go out and eat a good steak. > >Best > >Keith > > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
