Hakan,

Agreed. The sh-t would hit the fan. Hopefully enough reason and sanity will
eventually prevail like it did during the cold war (we survived it somehow). Of
course it may have been MAD (a form of insanity called Mutually Assured
Destruction, the idea that no one wins, except by not fighting or starting a
nuclear war), that actually saved us during the cold war.

What I find to be so ludicrous (silly, ridiculous) is that if  IRAN really 
wanted
to Nuke Israel or the USA they would not need a real nuclear weapon, and they
would have done it already with a dirty nuclear weapon since they already have
nuclear power plants with uranium.

I suspect they have not done so, even if they wanted to, because they know if 
they
did the US or Israel would level Iran in retaliation, probably with nukes.

The really scary part,  I fear, is that even if the US does back down, Israel 
will
still not allow Iran to make nuclear bombs and therefore will not back down. So,
anyway you look at it, if Iran does not back off on the nuclear issue we will 
all
be in deep sh-t.

What also concerns me is that if the US attacks Iran, North Korea will probably
freak out and go nuts since they would believe they were next. I have heard no
mention of this yet in the news.

Let's all pray that reason and sanity prevail once again.

Best wishes for world peace,

Mike McGinness

Hakan Falk wrote:

> Mike,
>
> As a foreigner and hearing Bush preparing for attacks on Iran, I
> sometimes have a very short moment of wishing him doing it, because
> it would be so stupid and probably finish him. Then I think about my
> American friends with my positive experiences from US and wish
> strongly that he would be stopped. If US attack Iran, then we would
> rapidly understand what the expression "the sh-t hits the fan" means.
> The global consequences for US would be enormously negative.
>
> Hakan
>
> At 06:16 09/04/2006, you wrote:
> >Reading the article discussed below is just plain scary as hell. If
> >it's true we
> >need to contact our congresspersons and senators and tell them how we feel so
> >that they can put a stop to this madness now before it is too late.
> >Since there
> >is an election coming up in November,  something tells me if they hear from
> >enough of us now they will take decisive action.
> >
> >Mike McGinness
> >
> >
> >
> >Marty Phee wrote:
> >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject:        [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?
> > > Date:   Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:43:42 -0400
> > > From:   David Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Reply-To:       [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > To:     ip@v2.listbox.com
> > > References:     <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > >
> > > From: Tim Finin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: April 8, 2006 3:40:18 PM EDT
> > > To: Dave Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?
> > >
> > > Seymour Hersh has a 6000 work article in next week's New
> > > Yorker on possible plans for a pre-emptive bombing strike
> > > against Iran including the use of nuclear weapons.  While
> > > Hersh has not always been right in his predications, he has a
> > > pretty good track record on the whole.  It's a good article
> > > and also a worrisome one.  No matter what you believe of the
> > > wisdom of attacking Iran, if we do there are bound to be many
> > > more difficulties ahead before things get better.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > THE IRAN PLANS
> > > Would President Bush go to war to stop Tehran from getting the bomb?
> > > Seymour M. Hersh, New yorker issue of 2006-04-17, posted 2006-04-10
> > > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact
> > >
> > > The Bush Administration, while publicly advocating diplomacy
> > > in order to stop Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon, has
> > > increased clandestine activities inside Iran and intensified
> > > planning for a possible major air attack. Current and former
> > > American military and intelligence officials said that Air
> > > Force planning groups are drawing up lists of targets, and
> > > teams of American combat troops have been ordered into Iran,
> > > under cover, to collect targeting data and to establish
> > > contact with anti-government ethnic-minority groups. The
> > > officials say that President Bush is determined to deny the
> > > Iranian regime the opportunity to begin a pilot program,
> > > planned for this spring, to enrich uranium.
> > > ...
> > > A government consultant with close ties to the civilian
> > > leadership in the Pentagon said that Bush was "absolutely
> > > convinced that Iran is going to get the bomb" if it is not
> > > stopped. He said that the President believes that he must do
> > > "what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future,
> > > would have the courage to do," and "that saving Iran is going
> > > to be his legacy."
> > >
> > > One former defense official, who still deals with sensitive
> > > issues for the Bush Administration, told me that the military
> > > planning was premised on a belief that "a sustained bombing
> > > campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and
> > > lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government." He
> > > added, "I was shocked when I heard it, and asked myself, 'What
> > > are they smoking?'"
> > > ...
> > > http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact
> > >
>
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