Todd,
You wrote:
" There's greater profit in blending biodiesel rather than selling
straight."
and later:
"Unfortunately, economic benefits aren't in line with environmental
benefits. And the subsidy dollar doesn't help that matter either."
Could you explain these two points?
Thanks,
Tom
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From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel and the Petroleum Industry
> Thomas,
>
> Why? You asked...
>
> 1) There's greater profit in blending biodiesel rather than selling
> straight.
>
> 2) Scrap all the misinformation about engine problems at higher blends.
>
> 3) Also scrap his misinformation about emissions benefits tapering off
> at 10%. They actually do little until after B-10, rising sharply to
> approximately B-75, where it plateaus.
>
> 4) Although his ratios on benefits are quite off, he is right in the
> environmental benefit of everyone running a blend, rather than some
> people running B-100. It's better for the environment (greater emissions
> benefits across the board) if everyone runs B-10 until the market-wide
> supply is sufficient for everyone to run B-15, then B-20, etc
>
> Essentially, if people were looking out for the planet first and their
> wallets second, anyone producing biofuel for personal use should share
> with others who don't have it. One vehicle at B-100 achieves less
> emissions benefits than two vehicles, one running B-25 and another at
> B-75.
>
> Unfortunately, economic benefits aren't in line with environmental
> benefits. And the subsidy dollar doesn't help that matter either. Then
> again, if there weren't a subsidy it's rather doubtful that the industry
> would be growing leaps and bounds as it is.
>
> Todd Swearingen
>
>
> Thomas Kelly wrote:
>
>> I attended a public forum on Biofuels a while back. One of the
>> speakers, the head of a biodiesel co-op, had me perplexed by his
>> repeated assertion that biodiesel can be used in 2, 5%, " even 10% or
>> 20% blends", but above these levels engine problems and gelling can
>> occur. He had graphs showing the benefit of using biodiesel to improve
>> exhaust emissions, but pointed out that above a 10% blend improvement
>> tapers off .... "better to have 10 people driving with B10 than 1
>> person driving with B100."
>> I questioned his assertions regarding gelling of fuel and pointed
>> out that I drop from BD100 to BD70 in winter months w/o gelling. I
>> explained the cleansing effect of BD and how this may clog fuel
>> filters during initial use, but mentioned that this will also happen
>> w blends as low as 5%. Actual engine damage is more a function of
>> fuel quality than the nature of the fuel itself ... even homebrewers
>> can make quality fuel .... shouldn't commercial producers be
>> expected to do the same? I conceded that at BD10 there is a 10%
>> reduction in hydrocarbon emissions and that at BD100 there is "only a
>> 70% reduction", but suggested that I'd like to see all 10 drivers
>> using BD100 to achieve the 70% reduction.
>>
>> There were 60 - 70 people at the forum; some from local newspapers,
>> others from Community Action Groups, most were just curious about
>> biofuels. Their enthusiasm was palpable, their questions polite.
>> Before responding to a question, the speaker asked each person their
>> name, and then spoke as if he was having a friendly, heart-to-heart
>> conversation. To my questions he simply shrugged his shoulders and
>> moved on.
>>
>> I contacted the friend who told me about the forum. He emailed me
>> the actual invitation he had received.
>> Re: the Biodiesel guy:
>> " .....Jerry ------- has over 20 years of domain expertise in the
>> petroleum distribution and marketing and is presently a member of a
>> biodiesel business development team at a major independent energy
>> supplier. ....... Jerry does consulting in building biodiesel
>> refineries and advocacy work in promoting alternative and sustainable
>> fuels.
>>
>> Jerry brings over 25 years of experience in the petroleum industry in
>> technology in the distribution, logistics and terminal operations
>> areas. Jerry has been personally involved in the alternative energy
>> arena for the past 15
>> years, operating his personal car on biodiesel more than 10 years ago
>> and presently driving a van powered by CNG (compressed natural gas) as
>> well as a car on home made biodiesel."
>>
>> He was clearly advocating 2%, 5% blends. Why? Is it simply
>> because the auto manufacturers will void warrantees at higher blends?
>> If so, why not just say so.
>> Somehow I know I should be following the money. It must involve
>> dollars and cents.
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks , I've been mulling this over for weeks.
>> Tom
>>
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