if people are too stupid to follow clear instructions, they have no business using a computer. they could always go log on http://groups.yahoo.com and change their subscription interests as well. if they can sign up, they can go away on their own as well. good riddance. I personally had many private emails with Marie, and she still couldn't spell unsubscribe even when I made it plain for her. as to the lister that abused you? that person should be banned.
Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 3:39 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re "unsubscribe" messages > Hello all, top o' the weekend to you > > Sorry to impose, but I need a bit of feedback, or something. > > I'm a bit upset because I received some deeply nasty emails about the > apparently abominable way I treated Marie Miller, who couldn't > unsubscribe and kept sending "please unsuscribe me" [sic] notes to > the list. > > The first letter, from a non-lister, was most rude and insulting, > basically accusing me of sarcasm for my comment on Marie's > misspelling, of "wise-ass" comments, being a know-it-all, not knowing > how to run a list and so on, with a fair measure of personal insult > thrown in. At the bottom was a copy of part of an email from a lister > (new member, posted one message I think), copying part of my last > message to Marie and pointing out my sarcasm. Prolly I should've > ignored it, but I'm not used to getting such spew and responded, > direct enough but without rudeness or insults, saying I wasn't being > sarcastic, she'd misspelled "unsubscribe" every time, and I wasn't > the first to point it out. I cc'd the reply to the list member who'd > made the original comment to this person. > > Then I got a broadside from both of them, a really disgusting tirade > from the non-lister, full of personal attack and obscenity on my > handling of the list, and saying she'd paid a visit to the Journey to > Forever website and it was a lot of *&[EMAIL PROTECTED] and so am I, it's > people > like me who cause all the trouble in the world and so on and on. Yuk. > Felt like going and spraying the website with disinfectant. > > Anyway, it included this point: why hadn't I just unsubscribed Marie, > or did I "get my jollies grinding her like that". > > The lister meanwhile saw fit to tell me that he agrees with her, I'm > too curt with list members and so on. > > I replied to both, the first got five words, which seems to have shut > her up at least (I hope), the second got a short response, again > direct enough but without any of the gratuitous rudeness I was > receiving, and asking why he'd started it. He replied, accusing me of > insulting him, denying he'd started anything (though his first note > said he had), generally telling me I'm an idiot and telling me not to > contact him again. I sent a one-word reply to the last bit saying > "same", but had it returned: "not accepting mail from this sender". > One way of having the last word I guess. Suits me. > > So that's that. Leaves a nasty taste in my mouth, but I guess these > things happen. > > Anyway, there's the point about why hadn't I unsubscribed Marie, and > this general continuing problem of people who can't unsubscribe > themselves and send their "unsubscribe" messages to the list. As I'm > sure we've all noticed by now, it keeps on happening. Finally I made > a macro that writes an auto-reply: > > "You have to do that yourself. The unsubscribe address is in every message: > List-Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > In fact the unsubscribe address appears twice in every message. > > It happens so often that one starts doubting the thing works, but it > does work - three listers have recently tested it. I get unsubscribe > notifications from Yahoo every day (more subscribes though). > > It's not just here, it happens to most of the lists I'm on, but I > must say that they get the kindest treatment here - on other lists > they either get ignored or get a real shellacking. Here they get > helped. I've never seen them get a blasting for it. > > So why don't I just unsubscribe them as they ask? Well, why should I? > It takes time, I've got better things to do. I'll help little old > ladies across the street or whatever, but heavens, if these folks > have got the gorm to subscribe themselves in the first place, surely > they can manage to unsubscribe themselves too? > > Well, I did unsubscribe Marie Miller, mainly because I was thoroughly > sick of the whole thing, but I don't plan to make a habit of it - > it's a special case, not setting a precedent. > > What does the list think, please? Should I unsubscribe these people? > Any thoughts on what if anything to do about these constant > "unsubscribe" messages to the list? > > I should add that very few of these people ever contribute anything, > if that's relevant at all. Marie contributed one message, a question, > about energy from horse manure. She got four or five useful > responses, but didn't reply, and that was all. (Which is NOT to say > that anyone isn't most welcome to lurk to their heart's content - > lurkers, feel free!) > > For the record, there's a list of the postings about Marie and her > unsubscribe difficulties below, including my abominable response. > When she posted her first "unsunscribe" [sic] message I sent her an > auto-reply. > > Very glad of any input on this problem. Sorry to ask. > > Best wishes > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > Handmade Projects > Tokyo > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > List owner > > > Marie Miller - "marie miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subscribed 28 Feb 2001 > > Posted one on-topic message. > > > From: "marie miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 04 May 2001 19:24:42 > Subject: Re: [biofuel] please unsunscribe me > > Hello. I have now tried three times to unsuscribe to this without being > successfuly. When I send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > groups.com,it says that it cannot find such a group. I see that many people > are having the same problem Could the moderator of this group please look > into this and see if perhaps the address we are being given is not correct? > > > Ed Beggs replied: > > Spelling, perhaps. > > You have tried to "unsunscribe" (a nice solar reference, BTW). That's from > your subject line. > > Then you have said you sent a message wishing to "unsuscribe" > (biofuel-unsuscribe@ yahoo, etc. etc.) > > You must send a message to: biofuel-unsubscribe. With a "b". > > The easiest way is to just click on the live link message at the bottom of > every post. > > Then, your email program should pop it up as a new message with that address > already entered. If it does not do that, just copy and past the thing into > the To: line in your email program. Or type it in spelled correctly, with > the hyphen. Then just write one word in the message body (where you usually > type your emails): > > unsubscribe > > It works, I used it last week to eliminate an extra email address I had > entered to this list. > > Ed B. > > > From: Jeremy Shuey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 22:16:19 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [biofuel] please unsunscribe me > > spell unsubscribe right and it wouldn't be a problem. > Neat thing about the computer is a copy and paste > feature. It works well. > > > Marie didn't reply to Ed or Jeremy. > > > From: "marie miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:56:50 > Subject: Re: [biofuel] HELP > > Please unsuscribe me from this group. I have tried 5 times now. > > > From: "marie miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:57:25 > Subject: [biofuel] (unknown) > > Please unsuscribe me from this group. > > > Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:08:49 -0400 > Subject: Re: [biofuel] (unknown) > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Steve Spence > > > From: "marie miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 20:15:46 > Subject: Re: [biofuel] (unknown) > > I have tried. Why don't you see if it works for you? > > > From: "Hanns B. Wetzel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:37:11 +1000 > Subject: RE: [biofuel] HELP > > Spell "unsubscribe" correctly and it will be done. Unfortunately the mailing > list management program does not yet have any fuzzy logic. > > > From: Jeremy Shuey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:58:49 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Unsubscribe. > > Well, i did it.. I emailed the unsubscribe email > address and what do you know.. It unsubscribed me. > Cut and paste this email address and you will be > unsubscribed also!.. > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:44:28 +0900 > Subject: Unsubscribe - Re: [biofuel] (unknown) > > "marie miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I have tried. Why don't you see if it works for you? > > It works. Anyway Jeremy Shuey just proved it. It seems you can't > spell "unsubscribe", you get it wrong each time. Why don't you copy > the unsubscribe address and paste it in the address field (To:)? You > have to be doing something wrong. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Keith Addison > > [This is the message that got me flamed - K] > > > Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:43:06 -0400 > Subject: Re: [biofuel] (unknown) > > just subscribed and unsubscribed a new address. worked ok. you can go to > http://groups.yahoo.com as well > > Steve Spence > > > Yahoo! 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