Hi, I'm developing software SVGFlash (*alpha*), it is similiar Macromedia Flash 4.
So I don't have time for develop a player or plugin excelente like flash player or flash plugin (IE and FF). I create my project using JAVA, cross plataform and the objective is animation, because exists very aplication for SVG static. thank's Ronan Oger escreveu: >On Tuesday 31 January 2006 21:53, Phi Tran wrote: > > >>1- There no server-side XMLHTTP needed. It is 100% Client process. >>(All it need is an SVG file form the server.). . >> >> >> > >Right, as long as you are only interested in static content, that is a fine >usage. For images, for example. > > > >>2- It is not 100% SVG1-2 but it support all graphic and cascade style. >> >> >> > >Right. This certainly has a place for static content. > > > >>3- Me My staff want a web-base simple SVG editor that we can work anywhere >>(for ourself). Accessible to anyone of us. >> >> >> > >Right. I can certainly see the advantage of this. > > > >>4- I like one that can play SVG on 99.9% of the webserver population. Easy >>for Web develpoer do do one WEB-page that it display the same no matter >>what browser it is IE 4-5-6-7?? FF 1 -1.2 -1.5 Opera ? AOL ? NS ?? >> >> >> > >I dont know what you mean by webserver population. You can process SVG with >batik on 100% of webservers (well, win32, unix, linux, mac... at least). >Is that what you mean? XML->raster on the server, then send it to the client? > > > >>5- Timing? It slower because it is interpreted Vs compiled. Depend on how >>much how big one change it may or may not fit for GAME/animation purpose. >>But it may fit on other purpose such as map dynamic image generator such as >>a web-base image drawing. >> >> >> > >Right. Could be good, especially for clients that cant support static SVG. Are >many of these? Have you come accross DENG, the svg viewer written in flash? >Also, why not use flash to generate SVG drawings (blasphemy, but fairly easy, >I would guess). > > > >>6- We are not just starting it. but it has been worked for long. >> >> > >Interesting. Any way to take a look at it? Do you have an online version that >is accessible? > >Ronan > > > >>On 1/31/06, Ronan Oger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>>Hi Phi, >>> >>>Your idea of a web-enabled SVg renderer is great and I support the >>>concept if >>>y. Is that an SVG-1.2-full renderer? I am interested to see how you will >>>support things like SMIL events and xmlhttprequest-driven >>>serverside-driven >>>updates. If you manage this, I will be very happy. Even if you only >>>support >>>SVGT, that would already be excellent. >>> >>>However, I have some issues with your point of view: >>> >>>1. Why do you say adobe has abandoned SVG? Have Adobe pulled ASV and >>>forbidden you from using it? As far as I an tell, this has not happened. >>>Adobe may have decided to stop developing ASV as a product, but so what? >>>That's their own loss. There are other SVG viewer implementations out >>>there, >>>and at least one on the very near horizon. >>> >>>2. There is already an SVG viewer solution for every platform: Batik. And >>>for >>>each major platform, there is at least one SVG implementation. If you >>>mean cross-browser SVG support, I do not think you can expect much joy. >>>After all, >>>it is a bit much to ask modern developers to continue to support IE6 >>>forever. >>>After all, IE6 is really starting to show its age and is totally out of >>>date. >>>Microsoft can refuse to update their browser, but they do so at their own >>>risk. And while rumours of a pending IE7 abound, I'm not holding my >>>breath for this to be usable on current hardware. I'll be pleasantly >>>surprised to hear of IE7 running on WindowsXP on a 2004-2006 PC or >>>laptop. >>> >>>3. There is a lot more to SVG than rendering the pixels. time management, >>>transparency management, and event handling are fairly complex things >>>that will be difficult to mimick in dhtml and javascript alone. Of >>>course, you *could* generate pixel maps of an SVG drawing, but doing so >>>is pointless. Exactly what SVG is good at, pixel maps suck at... distinct >>>object context handling. >>> >>>4. Does your cross.browser free SVG editor work on Konqueror? Can you >>>show a >>>link? Is it better than Batik-based SVG editors? >>> >>>5. I do not understand why people starved for an SVG plugin to IE6 do not >>>simply compile a Batik applet to handle their SVG. Shouldnt that work? >>>Sure, it would be fat... But it would work. and bandwidth is pretty good >>>these >>>days. For web2.0 apps, this solution should suffice. >>> >>>6. I am not sure what you mean by dealing with black boxes. The source >>>code >>>for every SVG implementation in the wild except ASV and CSV is freely >>>available. All you need to do is read it. >>> >>>Ronan >>> >>>On Tuesday 31 January 2006 20:53, Phi Tran wrote: >>> >>> >>>>But as you know ADOBE is abandoned SVG viewer. >>>>And >>>>1- It is not CROSS-BROWSER such as IE >>>>2- I don't like to deal with black box. I want to allow the Web author >>>> >>>> >>>more >>> >>> >>> >>>>flexibility such as to know that color a point is; or he/she what to >>>> >>>> >>>just >>> >>> >>> >>>>move/change one item/element . . . >>>>3- It just a sub product of my Cross-platform/ Cross-browser web-base, >>>> >>>> >>>Free >>> >>> >>> >>>>SVG editor. >>>> >>>>Hope You may Understand. >>>> >>>> >>>>Phi >>>> >>>>On 1/31/06, Ronan Oger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>I fail to understand why you would want to build a plugin from >>>>>scratch for SVG >>>>>when instead you could contribute to Mozilla's SVG team, or >>>>> >>>>> >>>Konqueror's >>> >>> >>> >>>>>SVG >>>>>team, which are open source, and help those implementation get >>>>>better. >>>>> >>>>>I'd suggest you contribute to an existing SVG browser implementation. >>>>> >>>>>Ronan >>>>> >>>>>On Tuesday 31 January 2006 19:17, Pedro Henrique de Lira wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>OK, >>>>>> >>>>>>but we need a plugin similar to flash plugin, >>>>>>with all functions of the specificaition 1.1 W3C. >>>>>> >>>>>>Don't you think ? >>>>>> >>>>>>[]s >>>>>> >>>>>>Phi Tran escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>FYI. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Yes. and No. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Yes there are some models floating on the NET. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>1- Server side java base SVG -> Png (from SUN and GOOLE). (You can >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>obtain >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>source ??). >>>>>>>2- Java base Applet that can render SVG image. (Not very >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>impressive) >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>3- Similar to FishEye Menu (on the net). Requiring client/server >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>round >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>trip? 4- I have first hand knowedge of a Client side Javascript >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>SVG >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>render It look sleek. Hoppfully it will be available in a few >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>week. >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>On 1/31/06, Pedro Henrique de Lira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>There are some plugin opensource that reinderized svg images in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>the >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>browser IE and FF that get all funcionalities in the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>especification >>> >>> >>> >>>>>1.1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>disponibilized for the W3c....otherwise we can start this >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>ideia/solution >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>??? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I know that the FF 1.5 had the svg *INTERNAL* but not have all >>>>>>>>funcionalities and not is good to depend the plugin of the adobe >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>wich >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>was been abandoned. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>thank's >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>----- >>>>>>>>To unsubscribe send a message to: >>>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>-or- >>>>>>>>visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click >>>>>>>>"edit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>my >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>membership" >>>>>>>>---- >>>>>>>>Yahoo! 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