Dave,

I have read over not only the mailing list but the drafts involved. The result quite frankly is perverse. By implementing framing on top of TLS you are in fact REINVENTING BEEP only without the profile, mandatory TLS, and without the possibility for use of SASL. You may not have started at this point - but that's where you are today. So you *are* reinventing the wheel.

Eliot

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