Hi Andrew,
I think that was the general idea behind this https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/pull/4985 Leave the name there and HOPE that folks add the extra details but in reality most folks didn’t (in Oz). Problem is, it is only implemented on selected EV charging_point entries so the consistency is the issue for me. The name could be used as an ‘advertising space’ for either a brand, operator or network so which should we consistently try to apply. I suspect as these roll out on a wider basis folks may wish to see their network in the name (Ie Tesla, Evie, NRMA, Chargefox, NextCharge) as they use these apps to discover sites, however the operators (like small businesses) might prefer their name up in lights. I have edited a lot of the site names but all the Tesla ones will likely reappear due to the ID editor validation. I would like to ensure there is a consistent approach to all if possible. Also some of the Tesla unique names in their systems are somewhat spurious https://www.tesla.com/en_au/findus?v=2 <https://www.tesla.com/en_au/findus?v=2&bounds=-41.41258012536085%2C150.17672076757816%2C-43.04954513167433%2C145.8563472324219&zoom=9&filters=store%2Cservice%2Csupercharger%2Cdestination%20charger%2Cbodyshop%2Cparty&location=dc75696> &bounds=-41.41258012536085%2C150.17672076757816%2C-43.04954513167433%2C145.8563472324219&zoom=9&filters=store%2Cservice%2Csupercharger%2Cdestination%20charger%2Cbodyshop%2Cparty&location=dc75696 Cheers - Phil From: Andrew Harvey <andrew.harv...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, 16 December 2022 1:33 PM To: Sebastian S. <mapp...@consebt.de> Cc: Phil Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com>; talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers I think it's reasonable for it to have a name like "Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW". If Tesla refers to it as such, and you might ask someone to meet you at the Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, then that's it's name. Just like we would map name="Woolworths Dee Why", since that's what the receipt would label it as, and what you might tell someone when referring to the store. It doesn't stop you also tagging brand= and branch=. On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 00:02, Sebastian S. <mapp...@consebt.de <mailto:mapp...@consebt.de> > wrote: Hi Phil, I think you are getting to the real question... So I did some checking and the charging invoice from Tesla does not give any REF or Name. It simply states the address. The map in the car and on the phone gives ' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' in bold as the identification token (trying to avoid using ame here). For me as an user I want to find this charger when I search for it. I want to see the full token to easily distinguish between several chargers. I also would be happy to see the token on a rendered map. Weather the text is in the REF or NAME tag I don't care. I do think the chargers should also have tags for address details, plug , access and cost, network, operator and brand details. We are allowed to dream right? So back to the real question. Is the argument that ' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' is not a name and should not be used as a single text string? Or should the text string simply not be a NAME tag and instead a REF tag? Or lastly is the expectation that data consumers 'construct' the information from other tags? For the last point I think it is a great idea but unrealistic see my ' Tesla Supercharger Central Coast NSW' example where the city=Tuggerah. I'm happy to use REF if this is the majority preference. Cheers Seb On 15 December 2022 11:07:47 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com <mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote: Hi Sebastian, I suppose for me it’s a question of should OSM hold a name which can be made from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging wikis? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other networks? This usually goes in the ref key. I suspect many of these are ‘named’ simply so they get a label in the carto map without people realising that the operator and ref are used for labelling charging stations in that map instance. Other apps may well use other OSM attributes. Some interesting ‘name’ insights in this post as well https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565 Cheers – Phil From: Sebastian S. <mapp...@consebt.de <mailto:mapp...@consebt.de> > Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> ; Phil Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com <mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> >; 'Warin' <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers Hello all, As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names. I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. Tesla has names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, NSW'. For the latter the name is not the same as the address which is one of my key reasons to have the name tag, full length. Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high current or DC charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly because the are or will be key stopover points that people will navigate to. But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why is ' Woolworths Dee Why ' Seb On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com <mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote: Thanks Warin, Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually descriptions or operators/networks and locations https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N Cheers - Phil From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 8:00 PM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote: My thoughts: I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing definitely does not have a name, when someone else says it does, especially if 50% have a name. "Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And there would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be like tagging some petrol stations with 'name=Shell'. The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that way OSM looses no information. Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*. - Ben. On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com <mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote: Hi Folks, Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some 'name'. Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator etc (ie Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so it gets rendered on the map. Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details are lost by making sure any operator or network details gets added to the correct tags. (I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord) [Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u) Cheers - Phil _______________________________________________ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au _______________________________________________ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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