It's very difficult to decide whether we create our own Pinoy tags or adapt existing ones for two reasons:
1. this is an international project we need to maintain the "commonality" of features so that it is understandable across countries; 2. some features are hyper-local, it cannot be assigned to a generic tag. To take the MMDA pink urinal a bit further, I think it should be: amenity=toilets sex/gender=male fee=no weewee=yes poopoo=hell no! operator=Metropolitan Manila Development Authority I suggest we add more features we can think of (Rally gave several index cards on this). Match them with the existing map features page. For features that doesn't have an actual match, add them to the Pinoy-POI list > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/PH:Map_Features > Please add more info. > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:20 AM, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo > Ltd.<r...@develo.ltd.uk> wrote: >> Looking at http://osmdoc.com/en/tag/shop/ I've seen numerous variants of >> such a generic tag, but "yes" seems to be dominating: >> shop=yes (213 existing) >> shop=shop (123 existing) >> shop=other (54 existing) >> shop=whatever (15 existing) >> shop=undefined (14 existing) >> shop=unknown (13 existing) >> shop=? (12 existing) >> shop=FIXME (10 existing) >> shop=misc (8 existing) >> shop=y (8 existing) >> shop= (8 existing) >> shop=empty (6 existing) -- although this may mean that the shop is vacant? >> shop=??? (2 existing) >> shop=Y (2 existing) >> shop=uknown [sic] (2 existing) >> shop=* (2 existing) >> shop=XXX-Fixme: unknown (2 existing) >> >> Is there any way to do a global search/replace on tags that are obvious >> misspellings or that need to be normalized, such as all the above? >> I also noticed there is shop=betting, shop=bookmaker and shop=gambling. Are >> anyone tagging those "secret" places where the jueting agents get their >> numbers? :) >> >> Also I've found a couple of interesting ones: >> for junk shops: shop=junk (5 existing) (there's also shop=second_hand, 5 >> existing) >> for vulcanizing shops: shop=tyres (26 existing) >> for pasalubong shops: shop=gifts (22 existing) or shop=gift (13 existing) >> for palengke: shop=wet_market (10 existing) >> for shoe shine/repair people with a fixed space: shop=shoe_repair (6 >> existing) or shop=shoemaker (5) >> for LPG stalls: shop=gas (2 existing) >> for the strawberry stalls along the way to Baguio: shop=fruit (21 existing) >> for the fish stalls along the way to various coastal towns: shop=fish (46 >> existing) >> (the two last ones are a bit less serious, but you can't argue it's not >> useful to have them there) >> or what about shop=sex for certain bars you should not venture into? OK that >> was maybe taking it a bit far, but apparently there are 16 such shops tagged >> already :) >> >> I've also seen semicolon in use, for example shop=sport;bicycle;outdoor >> Maybe we could use this to add our local flair, which is useful for Pinoys, >> such as shop=gifts;pasalubong ? >> Is this a good way, or is it better to generalize as much as possible? >> How will GPSs deal with that (semi colon separated tags)? >> >> I've also seen shop=car;car_repair and shop=car, car_repair, and I believe >> I've seen tags with | as well earlier. So which one is it, comma, semicolon >> or pipe? >> >> Also, is singular or plural recommended? I've seen both gift an gifts. I'm >> thinking singular would mke most sense, but I'm not sure. >> >> Ronny. >> >> George Tujan wrote: >> >> can we setup a generic tag for POIs? so that when a contributor has >> doubt on what tags to use they can just use the generic tag then >> either update it or let others update it later >> >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo >> Ltd.<r...@develo.ltd.uk> wrote: >> >> >> Very interesting conversation! >> I often wonder which tag to put on certain POIs and sometimes resort to >> guessing, which of course is not good. What if we use this discussion as a >> basis for a wiki page for Pinoy POIs, sort of like a dictionary of >> amenities, like: >> MMDA urinals - see toilets >> Toilets - amenity=toilets; fee=yes/no >> Newspaper stand - shop=newsagent >> Cockfighting arena - sport=cockfighting >> Multipurpose hall - building=yes; amenity=public_building >> etc. >> I would include the generic world wide ones as well, so we can use this as a >> guideline for how to tag stuff when in doubt. >> >> Or is there already such a page? >> Ronny. >> >> ian lopez wrote: >> >> For pay toilets, amenity=toilets; fee=yes, while shop=newsagent is for >> newspaper stands (I think). for DVD shops, I think that there is no tag for >> it. The big G has "Quiapo DVD" (somewhat prominent when you look at it), but >> I think that we can't tag it since it is somewhat illegal. Basketball courts >> are easy, use sport=basketball. AFAIK, multipurpose buildings should be >> building=yes, amenity=public_building. In some places, I tag cockfighting >> arenas as sport=cockfighting, though a good number of people outside the >> Philippines do not consider sabong as a sport (and illegal in some places). >> Yellow Cab is a "pizza place", most likely to be tagged as >> amenity=restaurant. >> >> Regarding MMDA's urinals, it should be amenity=toilets, fee=no (from what I >> know, most, if not all of its urinals are used for free), >> operator=Metropolitan Manila Development Authority >> >> --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Rally de Leon <rall...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> From: Rally de Leon <rall...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] tagging distinctly Philippine POIs >> To: "maning sambale" <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> >> Cc: "osm-ph" <talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> >> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 5:08 PM >> >> (not all are distinctly ph poi's, but for the sake of discussion, here >> are some POI examples i know or don't know): >> >> -Ukay-ukay / Wagwagan >> -Hilot (manghihilot / mangtatawas) >> -Daycare - is this classified as a school? >> -Multipurpose Hall / Barangay Covered Courts - that cannot be plainly >> classified as basketball court. >> -Store that only sells LPG tank (gasul) >> -Junkshop (buy and sells scrap) >> -Store that primarily sells reconditioned and surplus equipments (eg. HMR) >> -Barangay Outpost or Police Outpost (small booth only, not barangay >> hall or police station) >> -FX Terminal (including a tag for their route destination, eg. >> crossing, ayala, megamall) >> -Newspaper stand (Tabloid / Broadsheet) - some sari-sari store sell >> newspaper, bulgar, taliba, most don't. >> -Pay Restrooms (distinction between free/public and pay restroom) >> -Auction houses/yard like the ones in subic (or are these just >> considered buildings?) >> -DIY shop that is specialized in electronic/speaker/radio parts, not a >> typical hardware (Raon-type of store, more like a radioshack >> equivalent, or Kuryente) - or just generalize this as "hardware shop"? >> -free-standing betting stations/ pagcor / lotto outlets and alikes >> -DVD DVD (or is this supposed to be secret) ;-) >> >> -clear and easy guideline which are considered fastfood and >> restaurant. as we don't want too many POI icons on the map. >> Eg. If you pay first (at the counter before you eat), then it's >> FASTFOOD (eg. mcdo, jollibee, greenwich, and those at regular food >> courts, including burger machine and good burger). >> If you eat-first-then-pay-the-bill, then we generally put it under >> RESTAURANT (especially if there's a waiter). >> >> except for the free-standing semi-permanent fishball/isaw/shawarma >> stand/kiosk (and alikes) where you eat first, then pay all the >> fishballs you've eaten. Is this classified as fastfood or simply >> "snack stand"? >> >> So is "yellow cab" or goldilocks a restaurant or a fastfood? >> >> i believe goldilocks and redribbon falls under "bakeshop"? so >> therefore, as long as they sell cake, even if they sell fastfood, the >> priority tag must be bakeshop. is this ok? that way, we use lesser and >> easier to identify POI icons (for use on mobile devices) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk-ph mailing list >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >> >> ________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> talk-ph mailing list >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk-ph mailing list >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk-ph mailing list >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >> >> > > > > -- > cheers, > maning > ------------------------------------------------------ > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------ > -- cheers, maning ------------------------------------------------------ "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ ------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
