Hi, On 05.09.2018 03:36, Alan Brown wrote: > Granted, it would be nearly impossible to make this criteria perfect:
I think it would already be nearly impossible to make these criteria even *good*. It is easy to come up with a knee-jerk "nobody should be allowed to change the name tag of New York", and many will nod in approval. It seems obvious, doesn't it. Who, then, makes the catalogue of such places? Is only their name tag "protected"? Or also their location? Can the node be moved by a mile, 10 miles, 100 miles? Can the population be changed, and if so, by what amount? > I'd have no idea what would be > offensive in Hungarian, much less Thai; someone could draw something > offensive (like a peeing Android) that would be very hard to catch; > there are places like "Dildo, Newfoundland" that are legitimate. All this is true, and simple regular expression matching will never fix things (the village of Fucking in Austria is a well-known example but the number of names that are legit in one language and offensive in another is high). > But I > don't think it would be all that hard to flag a changelist like this > last vandalism, If you prohibit me from changing the name of New York to "Jewtropolis", I'll just create a city node one block away from it with a slightly higher population, causing it to be rendered with priority. If you start down this road, you will end up not using OSM place names at all but instead relying on a curated data set like Natural Earth, which is a valid decision to make for a cartographer but means taking control away from mappers and giving it to a hand-picked circle of data curators. > At very least, you can force your vandals to be clever to succeed. But is this really what we want - ever more clever vandalism that is ever less likely to be detected? Is it not even *better* to have "obvious" vandalism that we can fix easily? Today, getting "Jewtropolis" written large across OSM for an hour or two is no big deal, nothing to brag about before your cool hacker friends. "So what" is the answer. Do we want to make this into a trophy? Today, the headline is "some asshole put 'Jewtropolis' on OSM" - tomorrow, "clever hacker penetrates OSM defences"? > In our usage, we will scan the names of significant objects for > potentially offensive changes. But it would be good to have some sort > of gateway in the OSM database itself. It is ok for a data consumer to do that. Nobody is hurt if your filters wrongly reject a valid contribution in Africa. It would also be ok to build something that prioritizes things for review. But trying to build some kind of "protection" into the data ingestion at OSM would * impact performance negatively * disenfranchise mappers * bind resources for the constant maintenance of block lists * encourage clever(er) vandalism and hence not be worth it. Bye Ferderik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" _______________________________________________ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
