While I have travelled widely, I call California home (and have for several decades) so I unapologetically have a parochial perspective from the USA. Clifford, I deeply respect you, Frederik and many others in OSM: it is a global project about all of Earth (and its humanity, among other things). I agree with you about being exhausted at relentlessly hearing a shadowy US president repeatedly lie and bluster his way through the most embarrassing period of “leadership" in our country’s history. We (indeed, all of humanity) will eventually heal from these wounds.
However, sometimes, as when we have abusive, naked aggression inside of (sometimes at the very top of!) institutions, we must call out such atrocious behavior. We call it out to say “we will not stand for this.” Sometimes, colorful language is used to draw attention to this. Sometimes, because people either are not fully aware of this in their experience, wish to turn away from looking at evil, or because they are part of those who "say nothing about bad men” (in the sense of John Stuart Mill’s quote, while "good men...look on and do nothing") the very nature of nasty, disingenuous people who mislead, lie, deceive, do not recuse, demand unwarranted loyalty, refuse to play by the rules, “stack the (court, Board)," slander… must be so vividly brought to light that strong and colorful language IS required. I understand why Frederik used strong language. It is (usually) not pleasant to countenance what either is or looks like underhandedness, attempts to mislead or disingenuous behavior. Yet among friends, families, groups, institutions, companies, societies, facing any ugliness which might rise from within is a necessary chore. Figuratively put a clothespin on your noise at the whiff of stink if you must, but let us not censor as “completely inappropriate” what are topics of critical importance to the present and future of OSM as we discuss the supremely important topic(s) of conflict of interest (among others). These are “front burner” issues and we must not shy away from candid discussion about them. If strong and colorful language must be used (and indeed, sometimes it must), let us remain respectful, not make personal attacks and offer our very best to keep (national, parochial, partisan…) politics out of it, remaining as objective as possible. These are difficult times. Let us retain good senses of our humanity, lest we devolve from even being human. OSM has what it takes to make good decisions. Every day, today included, we put that to the test. SteveA > On Dec 2, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Clifford Snow <cliff...@snowandsnow.us> wrote: > > Frederik, > I've had it with four years of listening to Trump. Not only don't I want to > hear it on OSM but it's completely inappropriate for a mailing list. Can you > please respond in a constructive manner. > > Thanks, > Clifford > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 3:45 PM Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> wrote: > Hi, > > On 12/2/20 23:09, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > > FB’s attribution to OSM is available to any viewer in a place that > > is commonly associated with attribution. > > > > Barely visible icon that must be clicked is not a standard place for > > attribution. > > Agree with Mateusz, and I'm just flabbergasted how someone can kick our > license in the groin and have the audacity to ask for the community to > thank them for it with a board seat, where they will be tasked with > upholding values they apparently don't share. > > If Mike Migurski at least had the decency to say: "Yeah, my employer > sucks with attribution, I know, and I'm trying to get it fixed." I > wouldn't believe him but at least he'd say something that is ok. But > instead he says "y'all suck with your baseless ideas of attribution, > please vote for me." > > Anyone who thinks that, once elected, Mike will put OSM's interests > before those of Facebook because that's his job as a board member, think > twice. People have thought the same about Donald Trump - yeah, this > whole grab-them-by-the-pussy talk is just showmanship and once elected > he'll be more presidential. But don't be fooled. Mike is going to grab > our licence by the pussy just as he promised he would, and he's being > paid a fine salary for that from one of the most disturbing mega-corps > on the planet. > > Bye > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > -- > @osm_washington > www.snowandsnow.us > OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
