Hi Michal,,
> Successful attribution guidelines published by the OSMF will make it much > easier to decide how to interpret the ODbL. The problem is, I expect the current draft will not get support from the community so for me its back to my original question. Given the community concern about the lack of ‘community required attribution’ by Facebook (and other major corporations) do you think it would be beneficial for Facebook to take a corporate lead in updating attribution to that accepted by the community, without the need for further guidelines. I have found that when requested politely to update the attribution as requested at https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright, most organisations do the right thing by the community. To me this has more to do with how much Facebook values the OSM Community…not a legal definition/interpretation of ODbL licencing Cheers – Phil From: Michal Migurski <m...@teczno.com> Sent: Thursday, 3 December 2020 8:51 AM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] I’m running for OSMF board and I’ve set up office hours for questions Hi Robert, Martin, Alexandre, Jochen, Richard, Tom: Thanks for your followups in this conversation! I am speaking here as an individual and not on behalf of Facebook, so I’m going to focus on the areas relevant to board candidacy. First, the text of the ODbL is explicit about “reasonably calculated” awareness. FB believes its maps comply with this. The ODbL does not require that “every” person see the attribution. It requires that “any” person can. FB’s attribution to OSM is available to any viewer in a place that is commonly associated with attribution. Successful attribution guidelines published by the OSMF will make it much easier to decide how to interpret the ODbL. As a board member with experience in cartography design & implementation and OSM-relevant companies my involvement will make it more likely that the eventual attribution guidelines work for everyone. A few of you have pushed back on my “beyond the ODbL” framing in my prior reply. I don’t want to repeat myself too much, but the ODbL is very terse and leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Common practices for data attribution in map and non-map domains rely on click-through interactions like the ones FB uses. This is a completely reasonable way to make users aware of the source of map data to the extent that viewers know that maps are made of data, that it is often sourced externally, and that the words in the corner of a map are relevant to how that basemap was produced and not (for example) the location of a friend or venue overlaid on top of it. The community here on talk@ is understandably focused on basemap attribution, but in the context of the many hundreds of ways that FB uses maps in its products and the many sources of that data, there’s also important design and interaction considerations with dramatically more needs to keep in balance. The power of OSM has always been its openness to new kind of uses beyond simple display maps. My interest as a board member is in maintaining this open approach to uses that are bigger, weirder, more niche, or otherwise different than OSM might have previously imagined. Second, Jochen examines further the issue of conflict of interest. All of us involved in OSM represent a variety of interests that we bring to the map. My candidacy for the board is explicitly driven by a desire to see commercial and organizational use of OSM better represented in the OSMF. In some specific cases there may be a conflict of interest where I’d recuse myself, but in general it’s much more likely that FB and other companies’ need for a high-quality, free, global map with a healthy org behind it is *strongly aligned* with OSMF’s interests. I’ve held this belief for many years and in many organizations. As a board member I would work with members representing other OSM constituencies to make sure all these overlapping needs and desires lead to an OSM that’s stronger together. Thanks everyone for your words in the thread so far. The annual election process is important because it’s one of the only venues OSM has typically had to ask itself tough questions and make important decisions. -mike. ---------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: sf/ca http://mike.teczno.com/contact.html On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Michal Migurski <m...@teczno.com <mailto:m...@teczno.com> > wrote: Hi everyone, I’m excited to be running for the OSMF board this year! In 2021, OSM’s community has two opportunities to grow stronger together: we should make the OSM organization support a wider diversity of participants and we must succeed at starting to manage our technical operations professionally. I’d like to make myself available for conversations with anyone who has questions about my candidacy, manifesto, priorities, or really anything else. I did this last year when I ran and ended up having a few really fun conversations with community members. I’m blocking these four times over the next two weeks prior to the close of voting and AGM on Dec 12; get in touch via email if you’d like to chat by text, voice, or video! • Dec 1, 16:00 PST – https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours&iso=20201201T16&p1=388&ah=1> &iso=20201201T16&p1=388&ah=1 • Dec 3, 8:00 PST – https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours&iso=20201203T08&p1=388&ah=1> &iso=20201203T08&p1=388&ah=1 • Dec 4, 16:00 PST – https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours&iso=20201205T16&p1=388&ah=1> &iso=20201205T16&p1=388&ah=1 • Dec 9, 8:00 PST – https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours&iso=20201209T08&p1=388&ah=1> &iso=20201209T08&p1=388&ah=1 Read my complete manifesto on the Wiki for more about why I think I’d make a good OSMF board member: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM20/Election_to_Board/Answers_and_manifestos/Michal_Migurski#Manifesto -mike. ---------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: sf/ca http://mike.teczno.com/contact.html _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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