I'm not an OpenBSD developer but, allow me to share my opinion about this, please.
On May 15 2023, Okan Demirmen wrote: > On Mon 2023.05.15 at 10:41 +0200, Matthieu Herrb wrote: > > Last year I mentionned that I think we should retire twm. It's really > > too old and missing support for the modern window managers hints. For full support for ICCCM/EWMH you already have that modern, updated and maintained version of fvwm you have in base :-). > > > > People still using it ... I started using unix-like systems in 2006, I guess that *decades* before twm was already short for daily desktop use. But twm has been always there as part of the default X installation on any unix-like system. Perhaps because its simplicity is precisely what makes twm useful as a rescue option? This is, at least, the use I've made of twm along all these years. As a side note. Even being so simple, unlike the other two WMs in base, twm supports utf-8. This is now in part dysfunctional since you removed half of the bitmap fixed "miscellaneous" fonts, which also affects fvwm2 and fvwm3 ports. > > > > Otherwise ok to add this and fix the other WM menus for other window > > managers (those parts of the configs are already local changes in > > Xenocara) > > I might argue the opposite, to remove cwm from fvwm and twm restart menus, if > this inconsistency is a real concern. The entries in fvwm/twm are in the > (shipped) example config files, where-as below it is, well, there for good > with > no user choice. Heck, how often to do people even use this restart wm to > another WM outside of playing around? Most window managers handle restarts > differently, regardless of what ICCCM/EWMH says) and even then, crossing > window > managers like this introduces inconsistencies. It's fine for playing around I > suppose, but is it really a demanded "workflow"? > > > > > > > PS: fwvm and twm menus more programs we don't ship, e.g. "wm2", and > > > twm dies when failing to execute them (fvwm and cwm keeps running); > > > do we want to keep those default-broken entries around? > > I'd support removing them. In my experience, restarting from one window manager to another has *never* worked fine. -- Walter
