David Miller wrote: >> Verse 20 speaks of water and how it saved Noah. >> Verse 21 speaks of baptism saving us.
Terry wrote: > C'mon David. The water did not save Noah. > Noah was saved FROM the water, by the same > God that saved us. It is God, not the water, > in every case. I understand the perspective you want to bring out. There is nothing wrong with you giving God the glory for the salvation, but you ought not deny God's use of water in bringing about the salvation. The Bible very clearly says that water saved Noah. 1 Peter 3:20, "... eight souls were saved by water." And just as clearly it says that baptism saves us. 1Pe 3:21, "... baptism doth also now save us." David Miller wrote: >> Clearly he is speaking of water baptism. This is >> especially clear because he says, "not the putting >> away of the filth ." This is what water does. >> It cleanses the flesh. Terry wrote: > That is what I am trying to point out To you. > Water washes away dirt, not sin. Only blood > can do that. We agree on this point about the remission of sins, but it seemed to me that you were saying that the passage is not talking about water baptism at all, but rather about a spiritual baptism done at some other time. I'm trying to point out that the passage would not talk about Noah being saved by water, and then speak about how this was representative of baptism saving us if the baptism to which he was referring was not "water baptism." Furthermore, his mention of "not by the putting away of the filth of the flesh" clearly indicates that he has water baptism in view here. None of these comments are meant to demean his point that the saving part of water baptism is not the water of the baptism, but what happens internally to the person who partakes of baptism by faith. David Miller wrote: >> Therefore, it seems irrefutable to me that he is >> speaking very clearly. Terry wrote: > I take irrefutable to mean that I cannot change > your mind, but I do humbly ask that you study it > again. No, I do not mean that my mind won't change, but rather I am saying that the Bible is VERY CLEAR on this matter and it would take some very clear and significant piece of information to change what is seemingly so clear and incontrovertible. Do you really hold to the position that Peter is not talking about water baptism in this passage? Upon what Biblical text do you take this position? Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
