Blaine: The Bible seems to have some problems, at least according to what I read below. Perhaps those whose religion is founded on the assumption that the Bible is inerrant should take a second look.
--------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Raymond Bothoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:13:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Jewish-Roots-BoM] Suspected Interpolations in the New Testament Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> These suspected interpolations are found at http://www.bibletoday.com/htstb/spurious.htm (See also http://www.friktech.com/rel/canon/nttexts.htm) SPURIOUS PASSAGES OF THE NEW TESTAMENT On Authority of Professor C. Tischendorf's notes on the readings of the two oldest Greek manuscripts: The Sinaitic and the Vatican #1209 The following words, found in our Common Version (King James Version) are not found in the Oldest Manuscripts, and are evidently no part of the Divine Word. Let each Berean go through his Bible, pencil in hand, and mark out these words: then read the passages affected and note the improvement. This list comprises all the important interpolations discovered to date. The compiler has condensed this list. From the compiler's point of view there exist very good reasons why everything in this list should be crossed out of our Bibles. Thus, when the interpolations are eliminated from Mark 14:30, 68, 72, the account agrees exactly with that given by the other evangelists. Or, take Luke 23:34: history shows that the Jews have been obliged as a race to expiate their crime. Or take John 4:9: it does not agree at all with Luke 9:52, which shows that even the Lord himself did have such dealings. Omitted from this list are the dozens of interpolations made by early copyists with the aim of making all the narratives uniform, and the hundreds of non-essential words, the addition of which does not affect the purity of the message. (Some of these passages have already been omitted by more modern translations such as the New American Standard or the New International Version, since they were translated from the more reliable, ancient manuscripts.) Matt. 5:22 without a cause Matt. 6:13 For thine is the Kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. Matt. 6:25 or what ye shall drink* Matt. 16:2 When it is evening, ye say, it will be fair weather: for the sky is red. Matt. 16:3 This entire verse Matt.17:21 and fasting Matt.18:12 into the mountains Matt. 20:7 and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive Matt. 22:13 and take him away Matt. 23:35 son of Barachias* Matt. 24:10 and shall hate one another* Matt. 24:31 sound of a* Matt. 24:41 women shall be Matt. 25:6 cometh Matt. 27:52 and the graves were opened* Matt. 27: 53 and went* Matt. 28:19 therefore Mark 4:37 so that it was now full* Mark 6:51 beyond measure and wondered Mark 7:8 For as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things as ye do Mark 7:14 unto me every one of you Mark 9:24 with tears Mark 9:29 and fasting Mark 9:44 This entire verse Mark 9:45 into the fire that shall never be quenched Mark 9:46 This entire verse Mark 9:47 fire Mark 9:49 and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt Mark 10:24 for them that trust in riches Mark 10:30 houses and brethren and sisters and mothers and children and lands with persecutions* Mark 14:30 twice* Mark 14:68 and the cock crew Mark 14:72 the second time* twice* Mark 16:9-20 All these verses Luke 2: 40 in spirit Luke 8:45 and sayest thou, Who touched me? Luke 16:16 and every man presseth into it Luke 17:12 which stood afar off* Luke17:35 women Luke 18:11 with himself* Luke 22:43 This entire verse Luke 22:44 This entire verse Luke 22:68 me, nor let me go Luke 23:5 teaching* Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father forgive them; for they know not what they do Luke 24:42 and of an honeycomb John 1:25 asked him, and* John 3:13 which is in heaven John 4:9 for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans John 5:3 waiting for the moving of the water John 5:4 This entire verse John 5:25 and now is* John 8:1-11 all these verses John 8:59 going through the midst of them and so passed by John 16:16 because I go to the Father John 19:23 and also his coat* John 21:25 This entire verse Acts 6:3 Holy Ghost and (should read "spirit of") Acts 6:8 faith (should read "grace") Acts 8:37 This entire verse Acts 9:31 churches (should read "church") were (should read "was") Acts 15:32 and confirmed them* Acts 18:5 pressed in the spirit (should read "earnestly occupied with the Word") Acts 18:21 I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but Rom. 3:22 and upon all Rom. 6:12 it in Rom. 7:6 that being dead (should read "being dead to that") Rom. 8:26 for us Rom. 11:6 But if it be of works, then it is no more grace; otherwise work is no more work Rom. 14:6 and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it 1 Cor. 2:1 testimony (should read "mystery") 1 Cor. 6:20 and in your spirit, which are God's 1 Cor. 7:5 fasting and 1 Cor. 10:28 for the earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof 1 Cor. 15:24 cometh 2 Cor. 4:14 by (should read "with") Gal. 3:1 that ye should not obey the truth Gal. 3:17 in Christ Gal. 5:19 adultery Gal. 5:21 murders Eph. 5:9 Spirit (should read "light") Eph. 5:30 of his flesh, and of his bones 2 Thess. 2:9 Even him 1 Tim. 3:16 God (should read "who")* 1 Tim. 4:12 in spirit* 1 Tim. 6:5 from such withdraw thyself* 2 Tim. 3:3 without natural affection* Heb. 12:18 mount that might be touched and that burned with fire (should read "fire that might be touched and burned")* Heb. 12:20 or thrust through with a dart* James 5:16 Confess your faults (should read "Therefore confess your sins")* 1 Pet. 2:5 spiritual (before the word "sacrifices") 1 Pet. 3:8 courteous (should read "humble") 2 Pet. 1:1 God and our (should read "our Lord and")* 1 John 3:16 of God 1 John 5:7 in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one 1 John 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth 1 John 5:13 and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God Rev. 1:17 unto me, Fear not* Rev. 2:22 their (should read "her")* Rev. 5:3 neither under the earth* Rev. 5:9 us (omitted by the Alexandrian Ms., one of the three oldest Mss. known) Rev. 5:10 us (should read "them") we (should read "they") Rev. 5:13 and under the earth* Rev. 6:2 to conquer (should read "he conquered")* Rev. 9:4 neither any green thing* Rev. 9:13 the four horns of* Rev. 10:6 and the sea, and the things which are therein* Rev. 11:17 and art to come* Rev. 12:12 inhabiters of* of (before the words "the sea") Rev. 14:5 before the throne of God* Rev. 14:12 here are they* Rev. 16:5 and shalt be (should read "the holy")* Rev. 16:7 another out of* Rev. 16:11 and their sores* of their deeds* Rev. 16:17 from the throne* Rev. 18:22 of whatsoever craft he be* and the stone of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee* Rev. 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished* Rev. 21:24 of them which are saved* and honor* Rev. 21:26 and honor* Rev. 22:3 more* * Omitted by the Sinaitic Manuscript. These not thus marked are omitted by both the Sinaitic and Vatican Manuscripts. The Epistles to Timothy, the latter part of Hebrews, and all of Revelation, are missing from the Vatican Manuscript, No. 1209, having been lost during the fifteen or more centuries since it was written. The Sinaitic Manuscript is perfect and complete and is the oldest known [complete] copy of the Scriptures, having been written (it is believed) in the year 331 A.D. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky? > > King James had a large crew of scholars translate the best texts > available. Each member of the crew checked other member's work. A large > number of people who knew those old languages did the best translation > that they could. All of the other translations were produced by scholars > under similar conditions. > > Nobody knows language on the moroni plates, if they ever existed > anywhere but in old Joe's mind. > > It seems to me that today's bible tranlations have a better claim on > validity than Joe's nebulous claim to having perfectly translated plates > which aren't available for others to examine. > > Joe's situation is similar to mohammed's situation; he was the only > one to have access to the revelations brought to him, and nobody else had > any means to check on him to see if his message was correct. > > I'll stick with my bible in just about any translation. It's > certainly better than moroni's imaginary plates. > > vincent j. fulton > > On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:07:59 -0700 "Blaine Borrowman" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Blaine: The story about JS seeing the words cross the stone inside the > hat was never substantiated. At best, I think he may have used the hat > for effect, probably as a joke, and the rock inside was not a crystal > ball--I have a photo of it, and it is opaque, with several holes in it. > When Oliver Cowdery tried to translate, nothing happened. That was > because he had not learned to read the writing by himself. After JS > learned the language of the Nephites, he ceased using the Urim and > Thummim, depending mostly on inspiration to tell him if his own > interpretations were correct. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin Deegan > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky? > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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