David: Sometimes the greater the man/woman of God the greater the error. When wrong they were REALLY WRONG!! I used to hear AWTozer preach. He dreaded being Lionized. He wished for there to be no biography written on him. He spoke of the eulogistic component of such efforts. This is less true these days as we tend toward extreme criticism. Lincoln wanted the wart in the portrait. We look for and highlight them. From Wigglesworth to Hinn with Sister Amy and Kathryn Kuhlman along the way they (we) are a true cast of "characters" are we not? Some truth, some opinion and some error manifests from each. Blessings, Lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: May 01, 2004 07:39 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Baptism: are we all wet? THE ETHIOPIAN EUNUCH
> Laura wrote: > > So Elsman bases his views on Holy Hubert? > > Hmm It's dangerous to base your beliefs on a "man" > > right? Or am I wrong? > > Terry wrote: > > Very dangerous Laura, but I got a hunch > > you already knew that. > > Yes, you both are right, but if you had ever met Hubert, you would > understand it much better. Hubert was one of those few men who I > consider a true apostle of Jesus Christ. He had all the Biblical > indications of one, including the special signs and wonders. > > Hubert also had a fantastic mind and memory that allowed the Holy Spirit > to pepper his messages with many ideas. He could preach and teach to a > group of 200 people, and if you surveyed the group, you would get the > idea that there were about seven different messages given that night. > It was the anointing upon him such that it was not even what he said but > the work of the Holy Spirit. > > I remember Hubert telling about a woman who was saved. He asked her > what it was about his message that saved her. She said nothing. The > whole time he was preaching, she kept seeing a towel. She had stolen a > towel from the motel, and the more he preached, the more she kept seeing > that towel. Hubert was well aware that it was not him or what he said > that saved people. > > Hubert's teaching about baptism was quite fascinating to listen to. > Remember that Hubert had the entire New Testament memorized and about > two-thirds of the Old Testament. Hubert could quote every verse in the > Bible about baptism. He preached and taught without a Bible in hand, > and while you were fumbling with trying to look up the references and > read the verse for yourself, he had already quoted it from memory and > was on to his next point. Furthermore, Hubert was a student of history, > and he could lead you through all the historical accounts of baptism > from memory. Hubert taught that baptism was one of the most divisive > elements in Christianity. As he contrasted the various ways in which > baptism has been used and the various ways it has been taught and > practiced, it was very easy to become convinced that Hubert knew more > about baptism than any man alive. He would certainly raise issues that > you never knew. For example, I never knew until meeting Hubert that the > early church baptized people naked. Hubert had studied for fifteen > years under a Rabbi, achieving a doctorate status in that, so he had the > Jewish perspective as well. > > Elsman had the rare privilege of being associated very personally with > Hubert for about 8 years I think. Hubert worked with Elsman in a > Detroit area church setting (though Elsman might brag about how he > bought Hubert a church, bringing a blemish upon Hubert's testimony when > he does so). Elsman also provided for a radio ministry for Hubert > through a radio station that he owns. So there are a lot of reasons why > Elsman might be inclined to accept Hubert's theology in the same way > that some people have been enamored with John Calvin's intellect and > blindly follow some of his erroneous theology. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
