Hi Judy, Do you believe that God (Yahweh) was promising His people that they would live in an idyllic garden of Eden where no harm would befall them at all? That death would no longer be present in any form? Do you believe that all the wild animals around them would be peaceful to the Israelites? Why have laws against ox's goring others if they were all in a state of bliss? This is what I mean by saying that verses such as the one you mentioned need to be taken in a reality context. Do you see how you are taking the verse out of context? If not I can try to explain more.
Judy says, "when a man pleases the Lord he makes even his enemies be at peace with him." Jonathan replies: Would you say that Jesus feared the Lord? Were His enemies at peace with Him? On the contrary they killed Him. If pleasing the Lord brought peace with all men we would be one big happy family on this forum. Note that I believe your 'blessing/cursing' theology is occultic and not rooted in Biblical revelation. We walk in the Spirit, not in blessing. Jesus became the curse and we submit to Him. Jonathan Hughes -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Eye of the Storm jt: To me living in peace means living free from the fear of anything you mention Jonathan whether or not they are a present reality and yes, it means freedom from attack because when a man pleases the Lord he makes even his enemies be at peace with him. Talking about rain, I've heard testimony of how driving rain was ruining the crops of the Indians until the Christians prayed and the following rainfall was gentle and nourishing. I believe weather like anything else can be used for evil depending on whether we are walking in blessing or under the curse. Thanks for defining contingent for me. judyt The scriptual reference that God promises his people a 'peaceful dwelling place' needs to be taken in context. Did God make sure there were no mosquitos in this area as well? No poisonous snakes? Did God abolish death and aging in these dwellings? Was it God saying that He would keep them from being attacked by enemies? We live in a world that is as fallen as the rest of us. Creation groans out in travail. Weather is a natural part of creation. That includes a nice gentle shower for your tulips and a massive tornado, some pretty snowflakes and the flash flood. I would continue to suggest that the story of Jesus rebuking the storm was about something different than weather control for Christians. I think that you may have hit the nail on the head when you mention fear and peace. For the record God (Jesus) was not concerned about the storm in the least. It was the disciples who were concerned. A contingent universe is one that is based upon and upheld by its Creator. It is created to run self-sufficiently but relies upon Jesus Christ in whom all things move and have their being. Jonathan Hughes This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. Thank you for your cooperation in connection with the above. Ce courriel ainsi que tous les documents sây rattachant contiennent de lâinformation confidentielle et privilÃgiÃe. Si vous nâÃtes pas le destinataire visÃ, s.v.p. en informer immÃdiatement son expÃditeur par retour de courriel, effacer le message et dÃtruire toute copie (Ãlectronique ou autre). Toute diffusion ou utilisation de cette information par une personne autre que le destinataire visà est interdite et peut Ãtre illÃgale. Merci de votre coopÃration relativement au message susmentionnÃ. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
