Thanks, David, for attempting to articulate Judy's position. Perhaps you have stated it correctly.
Bill PS My position against the concept of spiritual death does not necessitate a non-reductionistic, non-dualistic understanding of personhood, nor does it grow out of that understanding. My holistic understanding of personhood coincides with my position and supplements it, but it does not condition it. I may set this forth at some point in the future, but not at this time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life? > Bill Taylor wrote: > > The hermeneutical criteria that I am questioning > > is the criteria of interpretation that you use against > > others but are unwilling to apply to yourself. > > ... you sent a series of posts stating that no where > > in Scripture are the words "eternal Son" used. You > > therefore used that to draw the conclusion that the > > Son of God was not the eternal Son of God. > > I think you are missing a whole bunch concerning the hermeneutic criteria > used by Judy. She does not reject the concept simply because of the silence > of Scripture. She is simply making the statement that there is no direct > contradiction of her concept of "son" applying to the birth of Yeshua. Judy > then mentioned several Scriptures which link the concept of "son" to the > physical birth. For you to argue that she uses only this point of the lack > of the phrase "eternal son" to draw her conclusion is either dishonest or a > misunderstanding of her argument. I think you have simply misunderstood > her. > > Bill Taylor wrote: > > I believe that rather than allowing them to die > > on that day, God substituted his own Son on > > their behalf. > > If this explains why they did not die on that day, then why did they die > later? If the substitution stopped them from dying on that day, then why > not forever? > > It seems strange to me to take the day when sin and death entered the world, > and to turn it into the day when salvation from death also took place. > > Are you sure that "spiritual death" is not a more plausible explanation? If > the dualistic view of man is offensive to you because you do not recognize > that man has a spirit as part of his makeup, then perhaps it might be better > understood that perhaps incipient death took hold that day, but was not > fully manifested as complete physical death of the body until many years > later? > > Bill Taylor wrote: > > Why if you are unwilling to accept the eternal Son teaching, > > and this because it is not a biblical term, are you now willing > > to continue to uphold the "spiritual death" doctrine, when it > > too is not a biblical term? This is the hermeneutical criteria > > that I am questioning: a criteria of interpretation that you will > > use against others but are unwilling to apply to yourself. > > I have understood Judy to be saying that she is willing to accept the > eternal son doctrine if it could be shown to make sense in light of all the > Scriptures that might be brought to bear on the matter. Therefore, she IS > willing to accept the term, and she does not reject it outright just because > the term is not used in the Bible. Her constant reminder that it is not a > Biblical term is primarily to help keep those who confuse doctrines of men > with doctrines of Scripture to remember this distinction. If the Bible did > use the term "eternal son," this would argue forcefully for the doctrine, > but if it does not, then one must not be so eager to embrace it when other > passages seem to contradict the idea. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
