I understand that a lot of agreement exists between Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland. So?

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The problem with you, Lance, is that you live an insular life; thinking that
others who don't agree with you don't get out enough. My husband is a
medical doctor and research scientist who believes exactly as DM does, and
he knows many others who believe as he does.  Stop being so narrow minded
about what "real" scientists believe. izzy

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Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:21 AM
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I DID discuss it with you off the list but, you did not respond, David. What

we (most believers) have here is a failure to communicate with you (your
sect). You cite Heb 11 as if it amounted to 'case closed'. When I wrote you privately David, I mentioned Hobart Freeman. Please look at his legacy and,
take care. E. W. Kenyon's offspring are everywhere. Are you one of them?

I also asked you whether you'd be interested in exposing yourself to some
'real' believing scientists re: Genesis 1-3. Would you? Further David, would

you be interested in exposing yourself to some 'real' logicians (i.e.
philosophers who employ logic without falling prey to rationalism).


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Well, perhaps I should have kept that to myself, or shared privately with
a
few others, but then, wouldn't that have tended toward sectarianism?  At
least my daughter is healed, Lance.  You should be rejoicing with me, not
fearing dangerous sect or cult.  The difference between us on this matter
has to do with an understanding of faith.  Please read Heb. 11, and also
consider that I only speak of my personal belief and practice, which is
not
the same as insisting others do the same.  Lastly, you should consider
discussing issues like this one with me, perhaps off the list, rather than
making erroneous judgments about me.

David Miller

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I have read all of these passages numerous times. Yes, I do read the
Bible.

Like it or not David, you are co-leader of a sectarian group.

You posted a family anecdote on TT in the last week or so. What that
reflected concerning 'your God' spoke volumes. If anyone should be
fearful,
David, I'd say 'look in the mirror.

At least our concern seems mutual. :)
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Lance wrote:
David:On warning (wo)men re:'transgressing
the commandments of God'.  Everyone
(including you along with all of those within
your sect, David) 'transgresses the commandments
of God', David.

You appear to be using the word "sect" here rather loosely.  I'm
anti-sectarian, remember?  I do not believe that denominations are of
God.
It was Dean's tendency toward sectarianism that caused us difficulty
recently.

That aside, it is comments like this one about everyone transgressing the commandments of God that cause me deep concern for your own eternal fate.
If you think that everyone transgresses the commandments of God, then
that
means that you transgress the commandments of God.  Such indicates that
you
are not be abiding in the doctrine of Christ.  Have you not read the
following passages?

Matthew 19:17
(17) ... if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

John 14:15
(15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:10
(10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I
have
kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1 John 2:3-4
(3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
(4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a
liar,
and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:22
(22) And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his
commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1 John 3:24
(24) And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him.
And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath
given
us.

1 John 5:2-3
(2) By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God,
and
keep his commandments.
(3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his
commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 12:17
(17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with
the
remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the
testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the
commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You might plead lack of intelligence or that the Holy Spirit is not a
rationalist or any number of things, but it is quite simple and true that
if
you do not keep the commandments, you are not in Christ.  Here is the
reason
that you and I cannot understand one another concerning the
characteristics
of a believer in his apprehension of knowledge and truth.

Please read the above passages seriously and don't just skip over them.
Those who believe in Jesus keep his commandments, and his commandments
are
not grevious. If you do not keep his commandments and you think everyone
transgresses his commandments, not only are you wrong, but your eternal
fate
is in the balance.  The judgment of hell fire is at your door despite
your
perspective of the Incarnation of Jesus Christ.

David Miller

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