----- Original Message -----
From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: March 20, 2006 08:35
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] torrance and logic The TFT quote is apropos. I am appreciating the way Victor
uses the word 'logic' to mean something similar to what 'logos' means as used by
TFT below; it is always the logic of something, that is, peculiar to
something. It strikes me that the unqualified use of the word, i.e.,
as a sort of absolute standard to which all truth must
conform, is the same thing as rationalism.
What David calls the 'esoteric' sense of rationalism is
just the normal sense. Interestingly, if he applies his own kind of logic, the
distinction between reason as the source of truth and reason as
the standard (or criterion) of truth is spurious, for if everything
conforms to reason, then everything is ultimately discoverable by
reason.
D From: Lance Muir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:17 AM To: Debbie Sawczak Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] torrance and logic ----- Original Message -----
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Sent: March 19, 2006 20:15
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] torrance and logic David , in other posts of the day, I find you saying that yoou and
Torrance are in agreement concerninglogic. I may ahve
misunderstood your wording, but that was what you said according to my
perspective.
Below you say this:
If you define "rationalist" in the more esoteric sense of the idea that
reason is the source of truth, then I do not believe the Holy Spirit is a rationalist. By this definition, I am not a rationalist either. However, I do believe that the Holy Spirit is rational. He also does not lie or employ deception to mislead others. The Holy Spirit uses rational thought to speak to us, and he expects us to include rationality as a basis of belief and action. ---------- DM Torrance might give caution with these words:
".............. we should seek to understand Christ, not by way of
observational deductions from his appearances, but in the light of what he is in
himself in his internal relations with God, that is, in terms of his intrinsic
significance disclosed through his self-witness and self-communication to us in
word and deed and reflected through the evangelical tradition of the Gospel in
the medium which he created for this purpose in the apostolic foundation of the
Church ...... When we adopt this kind of approach, whether in
natural science or in theology, we find that progress in understanding is
necessarily circular. We develop a form of inquiry in which we allow some
field of reality to disclose itself to us in the complex of its internal
relations or its latent structure, and thus seek to understand it in the light
of its own intrinsic intelligibility or logos ..............Thus we
seek to understand something, not by schematising it to an external or alien
framework of thought, but by operating wit h a framework of thought appropriate
to it" -------The Mediation of Christ pp 4,5
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