On Wed, 2007-10-03 at 10:15 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> * Ben Collins 
> 
> | On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 15:29 -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> | > On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 11:11:27PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> | > > On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 12:00:11PM -0700, Johnson, Charles F wrote:
> | > > > Did the upload, where the missing psb.ko module was included in the 
> lpia
> | > > > kernel, occur ??
> | > > 
> | > > No, it's still only in git. The best group to contact about this would
> | > > be the Ubuntu kernel team.
> | > 
> | > Escalating to Ben, as this bug was reported 5 days ago and is a severe
> | > blocker for mobile builds.
> | > 
> | > 
> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/147792
> | 
> | We planned an upload for Friday, but that was delayed over till today.
> 
> It's quite important that when this happens, you tell us so we can
> communicate this to Intel and the mobile list.
> 
> [...]
> 
> | Perhaps Amit can get you a build of the flavor you need, that can be
> | wedged into the mobile build for immediate testing. Would this get
> | things going until the upload?
> 
> We have an explicit policy of having the daily images be built from
> the archive and nothing else, I would not want this to change.
> 
> Also, the problem here isn't that I can't work around psb.ko being
> broken, but rather that the dailies have been broken for quite a while
> due to the kernel being uploaded too seldomly.  At UDS, I'd like us to
> discuss how we can prevent this problem in the future.

We explicitly decided to do this, and in part were forced into it. We
have about an 8 day window to do uploads in a 2-week
(milestone-to-milestone) period. Usually that allows us one upload.
every milestone.

A lot of projects are expecting regular kernel side changes: server team
(xen, apparmor, etc), sparc port, IHV's, UME...and the list keeps
expanding. Everyone wants a little bit fixed/added/developed in each
kernel upload. Coordinating that so that each project benefits in every
upload is a task in itself.

I think the best way to overcome this is to have a set kernel
development schedule for the release, with relative dates bound by
milestones, freezes, and other dates on the main release schedule. I
think keeping the projects informed about what they can expect from the
kernel, and how they need to interact with the kernel team for their
schedules, would benefit all.

I already have a planned UDS agenda item for this. The UME project's
input would be greatly appreciated at this meeting.

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