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De: "Peter Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> On 28/07/2003 05:34, Karlj�rgen Feuerherm wrote:

[earlier, vey nested, difficult to ascribe to one of the subscribers]

> >>>England was never ruled by the French! Please!

1066 and all that stuff !

> >>>
> >
> >I dunno, William Conqueror the Duke of Normandy sounds pretty French to
me :-)
> >(Of course it's a good question when do 'France' and 'French' begin.)

Usually said to begin with the Cap�tiens (987) and Hugues the First. Before
that, people tend to speak of the Franks (Western Franks after the
Strasbourg/Strassburg Oath).

First historical record of � Fran�ais � (franceis) in 1080  (Chanson de
Roland) means � Frank, nobleman or a subject of the King of France�. Other
terms were also used : franc, francor (as a genitif : la langue francor),
fran�al.


> >2. I'm a 'French-speaking Canadian' and if you asked me, I'd tell you I
was
> >French. Because I am. So you can't ask 'any ....'
> >
> >(my contribution to this pedantic thread)
> >
> >K
> >
> >
> I would never have guessed from your name!

[PA] How about my name ?

Patrick Andries

(Irish and Dutch forms of Latin and Greek roots !)


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