You are right Martin.
I agree with everything you just wrote.
If you look on my website you will realize that I do exactly the
opposite of what I wrote.
RS needs to open to the world and lower it's price.
And they should simplify RS or redesign it completely.
I don't know if a 3D software can be as simple as Strata and Powerful as
Houdini at the same time?
Stand alone modelers, stand alone renderers, stand alone texture
painting, standalone character animation ...
Are all doing better than full application at a lower price combined
together.
What is the most important thing about RS? Modeling, Rendering,
Animation or FX?
Jean-Sebastien Perron
www.NeuroWorld.ws
On 10-07-28 04:56 PM, mengil...@gmx.net wrote:
@Jean-Sebastien:
Thing is simple: Time is money.
RS comes at something around 600 Euros. Lightwave for example comes at around
900 Euros.
If I have to experiment dozens of hours just to get the GI done for a few
scenes, I could as easily buy another program that spares me this work.
When seen as an investment, this becomes even more important - why should one
go for RS3D with the prospect of having significantly more work to do, instead
of simply spending some additional hundret bucks to get a solution that gets
the work done more quickly?
Of course discovering the possibilities of a program is nice, but HAVING to
"discover" a needed possibility isn´t.
So slogans like "Don't blame the car, blame the driver." sound pretty cynical
to me.
Yes, "we" are getting left behind, as Jason wrote.
Especially when there are already a bunch of FREE standalone renderers that do
better.
Kerkythea, Sunflow, Luxrender, Yafray... I surely even forgot some.
In its newest edition, Blender even has volumetrics in. And rendering
volumetric clouds is even much easier here, compared to RS3D.
The features that set RS3D apart from other 3D-packages get less every year.
Blender just had to implement NURBS surfaces and CSG, and the ice would be
getting real thin for RS3D.
Cause, according to my knowledge of RS3D, these are the two things that set
RS3D apart from most other 3D-apps.
(Now i see that Stefan Klein already mentioned those things. So. He´s right. ;-)
BTW @ Stefan: Pleeeaaase... don´t put your message at the bottom of the huge
block of cited messages but ON TOP of it. At first I even thought the email to
be some accidentally sended chunk of text from the lists server.
Greetz, Martin
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An: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Betreff: RS is way too much flexible and powerful for it\'s users.
The maxwell renderer demo reel says it all : beautiful images,
noanimation.
And the few animations have noises moving around.
RS must offer a way to use stand alone renderers (that is
reallyimportant).
For now there is not one "efficient" standard way of communicating witha
renderer.
All of them use all sorts of undocumented SDL (scene descriptionlanguage)
or worst : binary or .dll
But I don't agree that the RS renderer is not good enough.
It is perfect, just not what some need right now.
What is needed is a "perfect GI" button or template scene (Seriously)like
Strata3D.
Strata3D do all the setup for you with predefined scenes.
Procedural materials will always have AA problems, textures never will.
The problems found in RS are the same encounter in Renderman.
Pixar renderman generate a lot of lighting glitches that need to
becorrected by hand for example.
Contrary to Renderman, all these small (look at me) stand alonerenderers
are not production ready.
To create beautiful images with renderman you need a lot of work.
In renderman there is no GI, only the mathematical function to code
ityourself inside your shaders.
By reading and experimenting a lot with Renderman, I found that it hasa
lot
of similarities with RS.
RS can make images as beautiful as any other renderer on the market.
For that you need to understand rendering, lighting, shading and RS
alittle
deeper.
And that is what most RS users are not ready to invest time in.
Don't blame the car, blame the driver.
It's not fair to compare RS to other renderers. RS is a pure Raytracer.
Like any methods there are pros and cons.
Contrary to many other 3d app, RS does not offer decent scene setup
andmaterials right from the start : you have to do it all from scratch.
Prepare for the flames and the usual offended : )
Jean-Sebastien Perron
www.NeuroWorld.ws
