A lot of (actually all) seem to be based on local nodes with 1gb networks
of spinning rust. Much of what is mentioned below is TOTALLY wrong for
cloud. So clarify whether you are "real world" or rusty slow data center
world (definitely not modern DC either).

E.g. should not handle more than 2tb of ACTIVE disk, and that was for
spinning rust with maybe 1gb networks. 10tb of modern high speed SSD is
more typical with 10 or 40gb networks. If data is persisted to cloud
storage, replication should be 1, vm's fail over to new hardware. Obviously
if your storage is ephemeral, you have a different discussion. More of a
monologue with an idiot in Finance, but ....
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On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 6:13 AM Bowen Song via user <
user@cassandra.apache.org> wrote:

> Just pointing out the obvious, for 1PB of data on nodes with 2TB disk
> each, you will need far more than 500 nodes.
>
> 1, it is unwise to run Cassandra with replication factor 1. It usually
> makes sense to use RF=3, so 1PB data will cost 3PB of storage space,
> minimal of 1500 such nodes.
>
> 2, depending on the compaction strategy you use and the write access
> pattern, there's a disk space amplification to consider. For example,
> with STCS, the disk usage can be many times of the actual live data size.
>
> 3, you will need some extra free disk space as temporary space for
> running compactions.
>
> 4, the data is rarely going to be perfectly evenly distributed among all
> nodes, and you need to take that into consideration and size the nodes
> based on the node with the most data.
>
> 5, enough of bad news, here's a good one. Compression will save you (a
> lot) of disk space!
>
> With all the above considered, you probably will end up with a lot more
> than the 500 nodes you initially thought. Your choice of compaction
> strategy and compression ratio can dramatically affect this calculation.
>
>
> On 16/08/2023 16:33, Joe Obernberger wrote:
> > General question on how to configure Cassandra.  Say I have 1PByte of
> > data to store.  The general rule of thumb is that each node (or at
> > least instance of Cassandra) shouldn't handle more than 2TBytes of
> > disk.  That means 500 instances of Cassandra.
> >
> > Assuming you have very fast persistent storage (such as a NetApp,
> > PorterWorx etc.), would using Kubernetes or some orchestration layer
> > to handle those nodes be a viable approach?  Perhaps the worker nodes
> > would have enough RAM to run 4 instances (pods) of Cassandra, you
> > would need 125 servers.
> > Another approach is to build your servers with 5 (or more) SSD devices
> > - one for OS, four for each instance of Cassandra running on that
> > server.  Then build some scripts/ansible/puppet that would manage
> > Cassandra start/stops, and other maintenance items.
> >
> > Where I think this runs into problems is with repairs, or
> > sstablescrubs that can take days to run on a single instance.  How is
> > that handled 'in the real world'?  With seed nodes, how many would you
> > have in such a configuration?
> > Thanks for any thoughts!
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> >
>

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