On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote: > On 04/01/18 11:31, Marek Czernek wrote: >> Hi Mark, >> >> I think this is a great idea. Before doing any brainstorming though, I >> wonder about the following: >> >> 1. Who'd be the target audience? And what skill level would you want to >> target? Any pre-requisites?
People that ask questions on freenode :) > The short version is whatever the Tomcat community (i.e. the members of > this list) would find most useful. Possible examples that come to mind are: > - an introductory course for an experienced sysadmin that knows nothing > about Tomcat > - in depth trouble-shooting > > But rather than just my random ideas, I'd love to hear what the > community wants. I can try and compile a list of questions from my IRC scrollback to add as ideas. I also started a quickstarts repo on github but that's mostly focused on tomcat embedded since there isn't much in the way of examples around. I also considered working on interactive courses and putting them on https://katacoda.com/. > >> 2. Should it be purely Tomcat, or do you want to talk about various >> frameworks that integrate with Tomcat in some manner? (Hibernate >> comes to mind, for example) > > This is is easy. Purely Tomcat. > >> 3. What goals would you like to achieve? I.e., would you want to create >> a course for a community and potential future contributors, or would >> your goal be a course for experts to get things done asap? Imho >> those two goals require different approaches. If the answer is >> 'both', that could be sub-optimal (though understandable). Or do you >> imagine completely different goal(s)? > > My original thinking was training for end users of any/all levels. > However, if there was interest we could add some modules on how to > become a contributor, committer, PMC member etc. +1, I sometimes get questions about how to contribute, become a committer, etc and share my experience (and the CONTRIBUTING guide on github), but having a more formal document on what to do for our project would be nice. > >> My main question is 'WHY'. What is the hole we're trying to fill in. Do >> you want people to have quick yet quite deep understanding of basic >> concepts and fundamentals? Do you want people to be more excited about >> Tomcat? Do you want to shed light on an obscure integration pattern that >> is highly useful? Do you want to create a certification that would be >> beneficial for job interviews? Some of the answers might be >> complimentary, but a lot of them are almost opposite to each other, imho. > > Why? Because I think that there is a community demand for this. I once > ran a Tomcat training course at ApacheCon for which I did ZERO marketing > (the only marketing was that it was listed as an option when registering > - and an expensive option at that) and ~15 people signed up. > > I want to help people understand how to use Tomcat. Hopefully, a > side-effect will be that even more great people show up here. > > I'm not interested in creating a certification or anything similar. > > HTH explain my thinking. > > Mark > > >> >> >> On 01/04/2018 11:16 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> One of the things on my TODO list is to put together some Tomcat >>> training material licensed under the Apache License (version 2). i.e. >>> material that would be made freely available for folks to use. >>> >>> I'd also like to make the training material available on YouTube as well >>> as run some training courses (for a small fee) to deliver the material >>> face to face. >>> >>> The structure I have in mind is a series of modules (say 30 mins in >>> length) that can be organised in different ways to suit different needs. >>> e.g. put the introductory modules for each area together to provide an >>> 'Introduction to Tomcat course', put all the TLS modules together to >>> provide an in depth 'Tomcat and TLS' course etc. >>> >>> I think a lot of the raw content is already available. We have the >>> various Tomcat presentations that have been given over the years and my >>> employer has agreed to let me make use of the material from our (now >>> possibly a little dated) Tomcat training courses. >>> >>> I can't do this alone. Not in any reasonable time frame anyway. So I am >>> reaching out to the community for help. >>> >>> The first step is to come with: >>> - a list of modules >>> - potential courses formed from combinations of modules >>> >>> I am asking for your ideas for modules, courses and combinations of >>> modules that could make up those courses. >>> >>> We have a blank wiki page to host this: >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/Tomcat+Training+Course >>> >>> Feel free to ask for edit access to that page (you'll need to create an >>> account and let us know the user name) so you can add ideas directly or >>> add ideas to this thread and I'll add them to the wiki page. >>> >>> The second step is to start populating the modules with actual content. >>> As a motivator to get this done, I'd like to run a public Tomcat >>> training course in late March / early April using this material. My >>> current thinking is that the course would cost ~£100 plus food per >>> person for the full day. Possible locations for this course are: >>> - Cardiff >>> - Birmingham >>> - Manchester >>> - Glasgow >>> (all in the UK - if successful we can expand to mainland Europe and >>> beyond) >>> >>> My second request is for feedback on which location(s) are preferable >>> and what content would you like to see in the training course. I'll take >>> this feedback, put together a course and then make it available to book. >>> >>> I look forward to all your ideas. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >>> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
