VACList Digest Wednesday, November 27 2002 Volume 03 : Number 027
When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html Topics in Today's Digest: [VACList] water heater installation Re: [VACList] water heater replacement Re: [VACList] Estimating value of our Airstream Re: [VACList] Stereo speaker placement on Argosy 6 Metre '77 Re: [VACList] Tank Repacement [VACList] Archives & Archive Searches Re: [VACList] water heater installation Re: [VACList] Archives & Archive Searches Re: [VACList] Stereo speaker placement on Argosy 6 Metre '77 Re: [VACList] Archives & Archive Searches Re: [VACList] Archives & Archive Searches Re: [VACList] Stereo speaker placement on Argosy 6 Metre '77 [VACList] Manuals ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:15:28 -0500 From: "Dick Parins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] water heater installation I posted this a few days ago but got no response so I thought I'd try again. Thanks. I plan to replace my water heater soon. When I asked before a couple of people suggested a 6 gallon Atwood. But I recall in a discussion about retrofitting the old Bowen cover that the vent on the Suburban lined up on the correct side while the Atwood required reversing the hood. Did I understand this correctly? In my case the hood is on the right side as you look at the water heater from the outside. I see that the suburban is considerably cheaper than the Atwood. Does this reflect a big difference in quality/reliability? Finally, what do I have to do to fit the new water heater to the old Bowen flange and cover? It looks like I will have to cut the flange off the Bowen but then what? I could really use a very detailed description before I dive in. Thanks again. Dick '62 Bambi - -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup One click access to the Top Search Engines http://www.exactsearchbar.com/mailcom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:32:17 -0800 From: "Tuna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] water heater replacement Dick - it might be worthwhile to seach the archives at www.tompatterson.com for this. I know that all the info is there, and i seem to recall links to some pictures of the re-fit you're talking about. If you wait for people to re-post information that's already been covered a few times, you might have a long wait; and the crucial piece of info you need may be overlooked... Another option which you may want to investigate is the PrecisionTemp 'tankless' water heater: http://www.precisiontemp.com/RV-500Page1.html . Tuna Reno, NV '48 Trailwind - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Parins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:19 AM Subject: [VACList] water heater replacement > I plan to replace my water heater soon. When I asked before a couple > of people suggested a 6 gallon Atwood. But I recall in a discussion > about retrofitting the old Bowen cover that the vent on the Suburban lined > up on the correct side while the Atwood required reversing the hood. Did > I understand this correctly? In my case the hood is on the right side as > you look at the water heater from the outside. > > I see that the suburban is considerably cheaper than the Atwood. Does > this reflect a big difference in quality/reliability? > > Finally, what do I have to do to fit the new water heater to the old bowen > flange and cover? It looks like I will have to cut the flange off the Bowen > but then what? I could really use a very detailed description. > > Dick > '62 Bambi > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:30:56 -0500 From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Estimating value of our Airstream on 11/25/02 12:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello! We have a 31' Sovereign International. Its a 1979 model and is in very > good shape. It has a new heater, air conditioner, and tires, and the > refrigerator has been overhauled. It is the model with the center bathroom and > two single beds in the back. The interior is in very good shape, but it does > need new carpet and need to be polished on the exterior. It still has a fairly > good shine, but could benefit from a good polishing. It has a forced air vent > in the bathroom and a small propane heater in the front room. Could your > readers please help me ascertain what it is worth. We live in southern Utah. > Thank you, Carole > Hi Carole, Bottom line is "supply and demand." If southern Utah residents have a big interest in Airstreams, then spruce your Airstream the nines, replace the carpet, polish the exterior, set the table with candles and advertise heavily in May 2003. If you want a plain old ordinary average price for it, you can go to www.nada.com and check out the oldest Airstream in the best shape (probably the1980s by now). That'll give you a ball park figure of what's likely too high a price to ask. If you need the money for New Years Eve and want to sell it fast, tell us now and someone will bang on your door tomorrow morning with money in hand. <grin> By now you may have heard about the VAC classified ads and other websites where Airstreams are offered for sale. Each of these are good sources to get a feel for "what the traffic will bear." If you haven't rummaged around in Tom Patterson's archives (located at bottom of the VAC List sign-up page), it might be an eye opener for you. A few years back, I recall seeing a general outline of how to estimate an Airstream's value. I believe it's in Tom's archives. Cheers, Terry PS - Tomorrow, we roll out of Fort Myers Beach RV Resort in southwest Florida and into another RV Resort in southeast Florida. The name is Port St. Lucie RV Resort. We'll stay there a week ($10 a night - Coast ot Coast Good Neighbor) before going into the COE campground at St. Lucie Locks for two weeks ($8 a night - Golden Age Passport). By mid December, our average nightly cost will be $7.45. Why do I mention this? The cost of being a traveling Snowbird can be kept to a moderate expense with a little homework. "That man is richest, whose pleasures are the cheapest." Henry David Thoreau ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 02 12:17:54 -0700 From: Roy Lashway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Stereo speaker placement on Argosy 6 Metre '77 Speaker placement on my '78 Argosy 30' were: front on each side just forward of each side window and behind curtains (Argosy had those wrap around windlows so a lot of curtain in that area. Speakers were built in. At rear a speakers were just aft of the rear side windows, again behind the curtains. Again built in. Radio and tape decks were options in those days and if you do not have speakers in place the option was not taken. You may need to get actual speaker placement from someone with similar trailer. You may find wires in wall at speaker locations. If you visit an airstream dealer they may have a service manual which have show locations. Roy Lashway '78 Argosy,'56 Bubble WBCCI 1610 VAC [EMAIL PROTECTED] web site: www.zianet.com/rlashway (polishing report included) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:14:55 -0500 From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Tank Repacement Using Dr. J's tank height measurements, check the length of the metal rod that is used as a hold down for the two LPG tanks. If you order a different size tank that you had originally, the hold down will have to be modified. My guess is that you probably had the 30 lb tanks but measure. Jim Greene ' 68 Tradewind - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 17:18 Subject: Re: [VACList] Tank Repacement > You might determine the size of the tanks by the height of their clamp > from their base shelf. According to my McMaster-Carr catalog, a 30 pound > steel tank would be 23-11/16" tall, a 40 pound steel tank would be > 29-1/4" tall. A 30 pound aluminum tank would be 26-1/2" tall (same > outside diameter, thicker metal). > > www.mcmaster.com > > Gerald J. > -- > Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer. > Reproduction by permission only. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:37:05 -0600 From: "Tom Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] Archives & Archive Searches Speaking of the archives at my site, I have some news to announce. 1. I have been bumping up against the upper limit of files allowed by my server provider for some time now, and have been forced to place some of the older messages in PDF format in order to reduce the total files on the site. The server provider has now generously upped my file limit, so that I will be able to continue to display all messages in text format. 2. The search engine I have been using on my site is WebGlimpse. It has worked well in the past, but does seem to be having trouble retrieving messages where there are a great many occurrences of the search topic. I am now offering Google on the home page as an additional tool to search my site, as well as the internet as a whole. It is similar to the Google engine with which you are all familiar, except that you can choose whether to do a regular internet search, or limit the search to my website. - -Tom - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tuna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [VACList] water heater replacement > Dick - it might be worthwhile to seach the archives at www.tompatterson.com > for this. I know that all the info is there, and i seem to recall links to > some pictures of the re-fit you're talking about. If you wait for people to > re-post information that's already been covered a few times, you might have > a long wait; and the crucial piece of info you need may be overlooked... > > Another option which you may want to investigate is the PrecisionTemp > 'tankless' water heater: http://www.precisiontemp.com/RV-500Page1.html . > > Tuna > Reno, NV > '48 Trailwind > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 19:52:21 -0500 From: "Jim Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] water heater installation Just a question. Is your water heater leaking? If not, the gas valve and other parts can be replaced with new. Conibear RV In Lakeland Fl. did a great job repairing the Bowen in my 1963 SOB. Jim '61 Bambi '63 Avion T-20 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Parins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: [VACList] water heater installation > I posted this a few days ago but got no response so I thought I'd try > again. Thanks. > > I plan to replace my water heater soon. When I asked before a couple > of people suggested a 6 gallon Atwood. But I recall in a discussion > about retrofitting the old Bowen cover that the vent on the Suburban lined > up on the correct side while the Atwood required reversing the hood. Did > I understand this correctly? In my case the hood is on the right side as > you look at the water heater from the outside. > > I see that the suburban is considerably cheaper than the Atwood. > Does this reflect a big difference in quality/reliability? > > Finally, what do I have to do to fit the new water heater to the old Bowen > flange and cover? It looks like I will have to cut the flange off the Bowen > but then what? I could really use a very detailed description before I dive > in. Thanks again. > > Dick > '62 Bambi > > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > One click access to the Top Search Engines > http://www.exactsearchbar.com/mailcom > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:20:04 -0800 From: "Jim W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Archives & Archive Searches Thanks Tom, your site is most valuable. I will try out the new Google search function. As a total newby with a Argosy Minuet, your site has been of immense help. Thank you very, very much! :) JimW - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: [VACList] Archives & Archive Searches > Speaking of the archives at my site, I have some news to announce. > > 1. I have been bumping up against the upper limit of files allowed by my > server provider for some time now, and have been forced to place some of the > older messages in PDF format in order to reduce the total files on the site. > The server provider has now generously upped my file limit, so that I will > be able to continue to display all messages in text format. > > 2. The search engine I have been using on my site is WebGlimpse. It has > worked well in the past, but does seem to be having trouble retrieving > messages where there are a great many occurrences of the search topic. I am > now offering Google on the home page as an additional tool to search my > site, as well as the internet as a whole. It is similar to the Google > engine with which you are all familiar, except that you can choose whether > to do a regular internet search, or limit the search to my website. > > -Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tuna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:32 AM > Subject: Re: [VACList] water heater replacement > > > > Dick - it might be worthwhile to seach the archives at > www.tompatterson.com > > for this. I know that all the info is there, and i seem to recall links to > > some pictures of the re-fit you're talking about. If you wait for people > to > > re-post information that's already been covered a few times, you might > have > > a long wait; and the crucial piece of info you need may be overlooked... > > > > Another option which you may want to investigate is the PrecisionTemp > > 'tankless' water heater: http://www.precisiontemp.com/RV-500Page1.html . > > > > Tuna > > Reno, NV > > '48 Trailwind > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:25:30 -0800 From: "Jim W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Stereo speaker placement on Argosy 6 Metre '77 Thank you Roy, I was suspecting something like your setup. I will try to get a peek at the service manual. I would bet the wires are there, you just need to cut a hole at the right spot. I thought the sound system was street side, but apperently it was supposed to be curb side when factory installed on my trailer. Your reply is a very good start to figure out where these wires go. I am not going to start cutting into the walls at random. I did have some thoughts today about what a great greenhouse this trailer would make with a few more windows if you get my drift. :) It did not last too long. JimW - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Lashway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "VAC -" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [VACList] Stereo speaker placement on Argosy 6 Metre '77 > Speaker placement on my '78 Argosy 30' were: front on each side just > forward of each side window and behind curtains (Argosy had those wrap > around windlows so a lot of curtain in that area. Speakers were built > in. At rear a speakers were just aft of the rear side windows, again > behind the curtains. Again built in. Radio and tape decks were options > in those days and if you do not have speakers in place the option was > not taken. You may need to get actual speaker placement from someone > with similar trailer. You may find wires in wall at speaker locations. > If you visit an airstream dealer they may have a service manual which > have show locations. > > Roy Lashway > '78 Argosy,'56 Bubble > WBCCI 1610 VAC > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > web site: www.zianet.com/rlashway > (polishing report included) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:25:48 -0500 From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Archives & Archive Searches Wow,thanks Tom, Santa comes early. Daisy Tom Patterson wrote: > Speaking of the archives at my site, I have some news to announce. > > 1. I have been bumping up against the upper limit of files allowed by my > server provider for some time now, and have been forced to place some of the > older messages in PDF format in order to reduce the total files on the site. > The server provider has now generously upped my file limit, so that I will > be able to continue to display all messages in text format. > > 2. The search engine I have been using on my site is WebGlimpse. It has > worked well in the past, but does seem to be having trouble retrieving > messages where there are a great many occurrences of the search topic. I am > now offering Google on the home page as an additional tool to search my > site, as well as the internet as a whole. It is similar to the Google > engine with which you are all familiar, except that you can choose whether > to do a regular internet search, or limit the search to my website. > > -Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tuna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:32 AM > Subject: Re: [VACList] water heater replacement > > > >>Dick - it might be worthwhile to seach the archives at > > www.tompatterson.com > >>for this. I know that all the info is there, and i seem to recall links to >>some pictures of the re-fit you're talking about. If you wait for people > > to > >>re-post information that's already been covered a few times, you might > > have > >>a long wait; and the crucial piece of info you need may be overlooked... >> >>Another option which you may want to investigate is the PrecisionTemp >>'tankless' water heater: http://www.precisiontemp.com/RV-500Page1.html . >> >>Tuna >>Reno, NV >>'48 Trailwind >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:11:34 -0800 From: "Tuna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Archives & Archive Searches Tom - Although it wouldn't be possible to thank you enough for compiling and maintaining this invaluable resource, we ought at least to try. Thank you again. Tuna Reno, NV '48 Trailwind - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: [VACList] Archives & Archive Searches > Speaking of the archives at my site, I have some news to announce. > > 1. I have been bumping up against the upper limit of files allowed by my > server provider for some time now, and have been forced to place some of the > older messages in PDF format in order to reduce the total files on the site. > The server provider has now generously upped my file limit, so that I will > be able to continue to display all messages in text format. > > 2. The search engine I have been using on my site is WebGlimpse. It has > worked well in the past, but does seem to be having trouble retrieving > messages where there are a great many occurrences of the search topic. I am > now offering Google on the home page as an additional tool to search my > site, as well as the internet as a whole. It is similar to the Google > engine with which you are all familiar, except that you can choose whether > to do a regular internet search, or limit the search to my website. > > -Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 19:46:58 -0800 From: "Jim W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Stereo speaker placement on Argosy 6 Metre '77 Seems I got street and curb mixed up. Sorry. My hook up wires to the speakers emerge from the street side. JimW - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [VACList] Stereo speaker placement on Argosy 6 Metre '77 > Thank you Roy, I was suspecting something like your setup. I will try to > get a peek at the service manual. I would bet the wires are there, you just > need to cut a hole at the right spot. I thought the sound system was street > side, but apperently it was supposed to be curb side when factory installed > on my trailer. Your reply is a very good start to figure out where these > wires go. I am not going to start cutting into the walls at random. I did > have some thoughts today about what a great greenhouse this trailer would > make with a few more windows if you get my drift. :) It did not last too > long. > > JimW > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Lashway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "VAC -" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:17 AM > Subject: Re: [VACList] Stereo speaker placement on Argosy 6 Metre '77 > > > > Speaker placement on my '78 Argosy 30' were: front on each side just > > forward of each side window and behind curtains (Argosy had those wrap > > around windlows so a lot of curtain in that area. Speakers were built > > in. At rear a speakers were just aft of the rear side windows, again > > behind the curtains. Again built in. Radio and tape decks were options > > in those days and if you do not have speakers in place the option was > > not taken. You may need to get actual speaker placement from someone > > with similar trailer. You may find wires in wall at speaker locations. > > If you visit an airstream dealer they may have a service manual which > > have show locations. > > > > Roy Lashway > > '78 Argosy,'56 Bubble > > WBCCI 1610 VAC > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > web site: www.zianet.com/rlashway > > (polishing report included) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:10:37 -0800 From: "Daniel Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] Manuals I have good copies of the 1973 Airstream Owners Manual and the 1973 Airstream Service Manual. Both are rather large, but I could get copies made if it would be of benefit to the group. Daniel Cathey Cottage Grove, OR '73 31' Sovereign ------------------------------ End of VACList Digest V3 #27 **************************** When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
