VACList Digest Wednesday, January 8 2003 Volume 03 : Number 067
When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html Topics in Today's Digest: Re: [VACList] pressure water tank [VACList] Double Bed Re: [VACList] Clearance Lights Re: [VACList] Clearance Lights Re: [VACList] Double Bed [VACList] Axle replacement Re: [VACList] Double Bed Re: [VACList] Axle replacement Re: [VACList] pressure water tank [VACList] Re: Florida [VACList] Indio - County Park Re: [VACList] Double Bed RE: [VACList] Double Bed [VACList] Hitch Re: [VACList] pressure water tank RE: [VACList] pressure water tank Re: [VACList] Our "new" 1955 Sovereign, help! RE: [VACList] pressure water tank [VACList] History of Mobile Homes & Trailers - Website Re: [VACList] Double Bed Re: [VACList] pressure water tank Re: [VACList] pressure water tank Re: [VACList] History of Mobile Homes & Trailers - Website Re: [VACList] Double Bed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:25:12 -0800 From: "chyde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] pressure water tank Scott, Both of my trailers, 57 Sovereign of the Road and 59 Ambassador International have Aluminum pressurized water tanks. Why not go on the hunt for an earlier tank from a junker? There must be one around somewhere. Colin Hyde > discovered that the old galvanized fresh water tank has sprung a slow leak. > :-( I guess that 42 years was its limit! I seem to remember that this topic > came up last year and that someone had found a source for these galvanized > cylindrical tanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:30:34 -0600 From: "Jim Combs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] Double Bed I'm wanting to convert the twin bed setup in my rear-bathroom coach into a double bed. All of the original stuff has already been removed and set aside. Looking at the floorplan in the service manual, it looks as though Airstream used a 48" x 75" mattress in the double bed configuration. Does anybody have one of these? Am I correct on that size? Can 2 adults sleep comfortably on it? And are fitted sheets available, or do you have to make your own? Or... Anybody ever put a regular full size bed in one of these trailers? That's a 54" x 75" mattress. Looks like that'd block a big part of the door opening into the bathroom. Not sure what other sorts of problems might crop up either. There would still be room for an isle and some sort of storage against the opposite wall. And there is room to move the whole bed forward about 5" which could make the bathroom more accessible. (?) Not sure what I'm going to do. I'd like to hear any experiences or thoughts regarding any of this from anybody here. Thanks. Jimbo / '76 Sovereign ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 11:08:13 -0600 From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Clearance Lights Few SOB have the continuos aluminum skin of the Airstream. They just about need a copper ground wire circuit. The riveted clearance lights on my '68 Caravel were universally ungrounded because the ground connection depended on compressing plastic. The definition of PLASTIC is flows under pressure. That means it relieves pressure. Three years ago or so, I removed all the clearance lights and modified their mountings to have no plastic under pressure in the ground circuit. I used aluminum screws with the heads inside the aluminum skin (using mostly key hole slots), multiple nuts and shakeproof lock washers with copious amounts of aluminum conductor grease (contains zinc crystals to break through aluminum oxide). They are so bright I can see them with full sun, and I've had to do no more maintenance on them since. While I had the light fixtures off, I polished the lamp contacts with scotchbright and coated those surfaces with silicone dielectric grease to keep corrosion from happening again. Just the way Ford has been doing truck light fixtures for at least 17 years. For the second mounting hole, I used stainless steel self taping screws at least a size larger than the rivet I removed. E.g. do it once right, and it may not need doing again. The original riveting wasn't right. It wouldn't have passed design rules at Collins Radio to depend on pressure through plastic for any electrical connection. I'm sure there are more details of what I did in Tom's archives. Gerald J. - -- Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer. Reproduction by permission only. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 11:08:16 -0600 From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Clearance Lights Scott Scheuermann wrote: > > Assuming that the ground is through the rivets to the skin, and that the > aluminum runs under most of the light's backing plate, why not drill a small > hole through a part of the backing plate (covered by the lens) into the > skin and install a stainless screw to improve the ground? > > Scott > 60 Overlander > Only a benefit if that new screw goes through the ground strap, not a hot strap and you tighten that screw regularly to compensate for the squashing of the plastic underneath which is the fundamental failure cause. Gerald J. - -- Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer. Reproduction by permission only. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 11:17:14 -0600 From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Double Bed A standard double bed is 56 inches wide. 48 used to be called a 3/4 bed, suitable for two consenting adults. Thin adults would be happiest. 56" fitted sheets may stay on a thick 48" mattress better than they stay on a 56" mattress. At least that how it works for me. The larger size sheet laps under further and don't pull out as rapidly. That's using queen size on a full size mattress that's a little thick. Gerald J. - -- Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer. Reproduction by permission only. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 12:48:24 -0500 From: "Dick Parins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] Axle replacement After reading through the new FAQs page I am somewhat encouraged to pursue replacing the Axle on Bambi. I found a Dexter supplier reasonably nearby that seems knowledgable. I have three related questions: 1) Joy have you completed your replacement and can you give us an update. 2) How can I determine the correct angle to specify for the torsion arm? 3) They make a 2000 pound and a 3500 pound axle. The original dry weight of this trailer was about 1875 pounds. Am I correct that the 2000 pound axle is too light meaning that I should order the 3500 pound axle? I'm thinking that adding just the propane tanks and battery get me to the 2000 pound limit (of course some of the weight is on the tow vehicle). Or will the 3500 pound axle be too stiff? Thanks. If there's anything else I need to know please jump in. Dick '62 Bambi "We're all in this together--by ourselves" Lily Tomlin - -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Meet Singles http://corp.mail.com/lavalife ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 10:56:00 -0700 From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Double Bed Jimbo Look in the camping world catalog - they have mattress in the size you are looking for. If anyone has experience with these mattresses, I would like to know as we are thinking about getting one. Ken Johansen 5358 59 Traveler 75 Tradewind At 10:30 AM 1/7/2003 -0600, you wrote: >I'm wanting to convert the twin bed setup in >my rear-bathroom coach into a double bed. All >of the original stuff has already been removed >and set aside. > >Looking at the floorplan in the service manual, >it looks as though Airstream used a 48" x 75" >mattress in the double bed configuration. Does >anybody have one of these? Am I correct on that >size? Can 2 adults sleep comfortably on it? >And are fitted sheets available, or do you have >to make your own? > >Or... >Anybody ever put a regular full size bed in one >of these trailers? That's a 54" x 75" mattress. >Looks like that'd block a big part of the door >opening into the bathroom. Not sure what other >sorts of problems might crop up either. There >would still be room for an isle and some sort >of storage against the opposite wall. And there >is room to move the whole bed forward about 5" >which could make the bathroom more accessible. >(?) > >Not sure what I'm going to do. I'd like to >hear any experiences or thoughts regarding any >of this from anybody here. Thanks. > >Jimbo / '76 Sovereign > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > >To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to >http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 12:42:40 -0600 From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Axle replacement I think the Dexter axle will have varying load capacity depending on the arm angle. It will be most flexible with the arms horizontal, and stiffest with the arms vertical. There's a compromise position in between. The 2000 and 3500 pound ratings are probably based on the spindle and bearing sizes. The 3500 pound parts will be significantly more rugged. It would be better for the trailer for the spring rate to match the load actually applied and that effective spring rate will depend on the arm angle. Gerald J. - -- Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer. Reproduction by permission only. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:25:06 -0800 From: Joann Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] pressure water tank How big a tank are you talking about? I have a small one out of a 57 Bubble available - maybe 7 whole GALLONS. Jo Ann On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 09:25 AM, chyde wrote: > Scott, > Both of my trailers, 57 Sovereign of the Road and 59 Ambassador > International have Aluminum pressurized water tanks. Why not go on the > hunt > for an earlier tank from a junker? There must be one around somewhere. > Colin Hyde > >> discovered that the old galvanized fresh water tank has sprung a slow > leak. >> :-( I guess that 42 years was its limit! I seem to remember that this > topic >> came up last year and that someone had found a source for these >> galvanized >> cylindrical tanks. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:28:17 -0500 From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] Re: Florida on 01/04/03 12:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Terry, > > Just caught your posting on some free camp sites. I sure could use some > specifics on the county parks in the panhandle and also the ones on 41 down > south although if you are going to be at Sarasota I could get the last from > you there. The attached may be of some help, keeping in mind some of the free > ones are now $5.00 with out a discount for old age. > > Rick > - -------------- Hi Rick - it's been a long time since we've chatted, The three county parks I mentioned in the panhandle are along route 20 east of Blountstown. I can't give you exact locations because we've been to them only once. Two didn't make our list as "keepers." We didn't stay at either of them - even after finding them. The third one is well marked. It's near Silver Lake. The camping area has a bathroom building on a knoll overlooking the parking lot for boaters. That description isn't much to go on, but we had no trouble finding it the first time - and we were only casually looking. We've used it twice. There is an easy to find campground in St. Marks on US 98 south of Tallahassee at Apalachee Bay. The St. Marks National Wildlife Refuge is across the street. The last time we stayed there, it was a mess with the new bridge being built. This campground has "tiny" sites, but in a pinch we parked on the macadam near the rest rooms. A second time, we pulled into a grassy area (sign said, "picnics only") on the left as we entered the campground. It was after dark, raining and no one hassled us. We've never been charged for staying there and we've never seen anyone to offer our money. You may already know of the four free parks in the Apalachicola National Forest. Although we've stayed at each of them, they're too far off the beaten path for us and on soft dusty roads. We wouldn't go to any of them if it had been raining. The RV Service Center in Pensacola (Exit 10B off I-10) at the rear of the Hill Kelly Dodge dealership is always an easy stop, especially if arriving Sunday afternoon. There is plenty of space and there are electric hookups on the left side of the building, plus a dump station hole near the building's left corner. The workers arrive around 6:30am. The Service Center opens at 7:00am. Their parts supply inventory is large enough so we always find something to buy. I like their workmanship, so I always have something done. The service manager is Pat Lassiter; the order writer is DeeDee. At the other end of I-10 toward Jacksonville, there is Ocean Pond in the Osceola National Forest. We've found it very convenient from I-10. There used to be a small fee but we haven't stopped there is a few years so the fee may no longer be small. The entrance is near Olustee, Florida. The boondock sites along Alligator Alley are easily visible from the road on US41. You'll have no trouble locating them. They are in Big Cypress National Preserve. Each area has a self-appointed "Mayor" who can help you get parked and keep some orderliness in what may appear to be total chaos. The COE campground nearby costs $15 unless you have a Golden Age Passport. There is a fee to use the dump station if not staying in the campground. Thanks for the attachment covering the Ocala Forest campgrounds. We've been to each of those and some are literally out in nowheresville. The forest roads can be smooth or washboard or muddy. The one at Lake Delancy is the only one to make our "keeper" list. Yes, we plan to attend the Sarasota Rally in February, although we're still looking for the Blue Beret issue with that data in it. As an aside, today we looked at a '78 28' Avion with flawless aluminum skin and equally flawless interior woodwork, plus EVERYTHING (and I mean everything) worked and was included (even the hitch and tow bars). If we had any interest in a smaller trailer with new batteries, tires and a perfectionistic owner, this one would have excited us. The only thing it needs is a good scrubbing of the exterior and cleaning of the interior. $8,000 for the trailer seemed like a reasonable asking price. The owners are in their late 80s and will never tow again. Are you still in the trailer delivery business? If we buy another Airstream (we look at one tomorrow and another the next day), it will be from a private party which means two Airstreams will need to go north in the Spring. I could take one and a week later, come back for the other, but maybe I won't feel like doing that. The easiest way to purchase is to buy from a dealer and trade our old one, but taking a financial shellacking doesn't interest me. As you can tell, we're rolling again which means picking up our email may be sporadic, plus reading and answering email doesn't happen as quickly. You know the story. Hope some of this will prove useful to you, Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:28:17 -0500 From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] Indio - County Park on 01/05/03 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm planning a trip to the Indio - Palm Springs, CA area and need a > recommendation for a place to stay in my '76 Tradewind 25', please. > Hi Marv, Why don't you use the County Park? It's called Lake Cahulla Recreation Area and is 4 miles SW of Indio off SR 111 via Monroe Street to Avenue 58. We've always been able to get a site there during the Winter. It's well marked with brown signs. Finding it is fairly straight forward. Although the directions include street and avenue names, the park is located in a semi-rural area with mountains in the background. The lake is man made and the campsites are all around it. If you are a member of AAA, why don't you pick up the Southern & Central California Camping map? It has more than 650 campgrounds listed. That can dramatically increase your options. The AAA "Camp Books" often include campgrounds which are not listed in the big, fat directories of high priced campgrounds. More than once, those little booklets saved our bacon. The first time we went into Indio from the county park, it seemed like a long distance to go, but after several trips, four or five miles were nothing. While there, we picked up the city map which made it even easier to find our way around. Dittos on Bob Kiger's suggestion for visiting the Slabs. As you approach the turn off into the Slabs, notice what kind of stores are available - in case you need something. Take your camera and get a picture of the entrance scene. It'll be good for a laugh every time you look at it. Also, while you're in the general Salton Sea area, the Date farms have all sorts of specials, including a free movie and date milk shakes. You may have already done that, but if not, we found the movie more than interesting. Did you know there are male and female date trees? We didn't. Now we know which is which. While at the date farm, we bought bags of dates, learned recipes we'd never heard of before and to this day, still enjoy cooking with dates. Some of life's pleasures include the mundane. <grin> Have a good time, Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:38:34 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [VACList] Double Bed My tradewind double has a 48x75in doublr der howeaver it was on a pull out and the matress was in 2 parts. It was the ultimate tourcher rack I converted it to a Jackknife sofa bed I made an oak and plywood frame and used the newconfort foam one now cannot notice the seam in the center. the only down side is that it is n0w 44x75 in. Can 2 sleepin confort on it I guess it depends on your size and how friendly you are. Mary and I soent over 4 months on it this summer with no provlums.we are average size persons.I chose the double because of the extry storage space versis the twin. Jim Smith 1965 Tradewin(The Silver Abaltross) 1982 Dodge Cummins Diesel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:39:19 -0700 From: "Pete Ryner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [VACList] Double Bed Jim, I'm just finishing up the interior on my '68 Ambassador. It was initially a twin bed setup. I tried to put at least a queen bed in the center section, but couldn't move the walls in the rear bath, so I couldn't get the clearance and still move around the bed. I ended up making a pull-out double bed with three sections of dense foam for the mattress. It is about 56X76, but I will have to check my receipts and measure to make sure of the actual size. It is not a standard size so I looked for the dense foam for the mattress. There are several mattress mfgs. out there that will makea custom size, but they are VERY expensive. I also have a '60 safari with a middle bedroom and it has a "double" bed in it. It is too small for two mature adults, but does have a foam mattress and I've been very happy with it. Anyway, I made a pull out plywood bottom with 1X4 frame that pulls out and makes the bed. It is still not as roomy as our king bed, but is large enough for the two of us and still leaves enough room to go forward or to the rear bath. I built a dresser on the opposite side and it is wonderful to have all of the storage space. I've got some pictures on my site at http://groups.msn.com/Petesairstreampix although it doesn't show the bed extended. I found the foam at http://www.knoxfoam.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/?E+scstore. I ussed their custom foam with waterproof covers and am very pleased. (no financial interest or otherwise). If you have any other questions or want additional pictures or information please contact me off list. Good Luck! Pete ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:50:51 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [VACList] Hitch Did you sell the hitch on ebay? If not, let me hear from you. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 20:26:34 -0600 From: Herb Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] pressure water tank I can't directly answer your 2 questions. But when I replaced my round tank I had another constraint that turned out to be the hardest to solve. I have a 63 Globetrotter that has the water tank across the front and a neat brass filler on the front of the coach near the gas bottles. I wanted to leave this original filler where it was and keep it functional. I found several local dealers could order the round galvanized tank for about $600. But the original tank had a pipe welded into the side of the tank for the brass filler to connect to. It appeared to me that has been added to the tank at the Airstream Factory. On a new metal tank I would have had to find a local welder to add that to the new tank. A plastic tank from Allrite was half the cost and I though that it would be easier to cut holes and add the required outlet/inlets in the plastic. 'Twas easy to cut the holes but I never could get the "twist to tighten" inlet/outlets" to stop leaking. Tried epoxy and silicon to glue them in but leaks would spring up after a few trips. I finally pulled the tank and shipped it back to Allrite and had them "plastic or spin weld" the required threaded fittings into the holes I had cut. So if you go the plastic route consider getting the supplier to weld in the fittings you will need. I thought about welding or soldering the pinholes in my metal tank but when I closely examined the bottom of the tank I could see many other rust spots that weren't leaking yet. I have a can of POR15s brand of gas tank sealer. It states on the label "Harmful or fatal if swallowed ...." But thats before it dries. You also have to use several cleaners to prep the inside of the tank. Typically something to clean out the gum and varnish and then a metal prep. Scott Scheuermann wrote: > Well, our annual Christmas break trip from Cleveland to Tampa and back went > almost without a hitch. The weather cooperated for the entire trip. However > while in Florida I took advantage of the warm weather to do some repairs and > discovered that the old galvanized fresh water tank has sprung a slow leak. > :-( I guess that 42 years was its limit! I seem to remember that this topic > came up last year and that someone had found a source for these galvanized > cylindrical tanks. I will look up the specifics later, but my question is > has anyone actually purchased a tank from these people? If anyone has, > please share your experiences. From what I remember they were quite pricey, > but may be worth the cost for me since I would want to make major > modifications to the plumbing if I were to replace the pressure tank and air > pump with the modern standards. As much as I would like to make the > modifications I just don't see having the time to do this before needing to > be back on the road with her again. > > Another, less costly option I am considering is to remove the old tank and > see if I could find someone to line it with the stuff they use for rusted > out automotive gasoline tanks. Does anyone know if the stuff is safe to use > for a drinking water tank? > > Scott > 1960 Overlander > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 20:48:00 -0600 From: Kevin D Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [VACList] pressure water tank Greetings Scott! When I saw your post earlier today, I thought that I had seen listings for new tanks. I found them in my Kampers Supply Catalog this evening: #88-1015 11.9 Gallon Galvanized $406.00 - - (12" Diameter x 26" Long) #88-1016 18.9 Gallon Galvanized $433.00 - - (12" Diameter x 40" Long) #88-1017 27.1 Gallon Galvanized $562.00 - - (12" Diameter x 56" Long) #88-1018 25.0 Gallon Galvanized $574.00 - - (14" Diameter x 40" Long) The specifications include the following information: Hot dipped galvanized, 100 p.s.i. working pressure, meets all IAMPO standards, 1.25" NPT Fill, .50" NPT outlet, and 3/8" drain. The Web URL: http://www.kampersupply.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 618-985-6959 This data is from the Brand X dealer who has performed most of my brake work on the Overlander and is my choice when I am too far from Ace Fogdall to get into their shop. Good luck in locating a replacement tank for your Overlander. Kevin Kevin D. Allen 1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban 1978 Argosy Minuet 1975 Cadillac Convertible (towcar in-training) WBCCI/VAC #6359 - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Scott Scheuermann Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [VACList] pressure water tank Well, our annual Christmas break trip from Cleveland to Tampa and back went almost without a hitch. The weather cooperated for the entire trip. However while in Florida I took advantage of the warm weather to do some repairs and discovered that the old galvanized fresh water tank has sprung a slow leak. :-( I guess that 42 years was its limit! I seem to remember that this topic came up last year and that someone had found a source for these galvanized cylindrical tanks. I will look up the specifics later, but my question is has anyone actually purchased a tank from these people? If anyone has, please share your experiences. From what I remember they were quite pricey, but may be worth the cost for me since I would want to make major modifications to the plumbing if I were to replace the pressure tank and air pump with the modern standards. As much as I would like to make the modifications I just don't see having the time to do this before needing to be back on the road with her again. Another, less costly option I am considering is to remove the old tank and see if I could find someone to line it with the stuff they use for rusted out automotive gasoline tanks. Does anyone know if the stuff is safe to use for a drinking water tank? Scott 1960 Overlander ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:29:11 -0800 From: Rik & Susan Beeson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Our "new" 1955 Sovereign, help! Dr. J's recommendations are VERY conservative. Overly conservative, in my experience, but certainly on the safe side. Original equipment was a 2" hitch ball. This year model does not have the central pipe type of frame. Best regards, Rik Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer wrote: >Hitch ball size could be somewhere between 1-7/8 and 2-5/16". > >There have been several glowing reports on this list of how that vintage >trailer frame was found to be rusted into sponge and that trying to tow >would have pulled the front 6' of frame central pipe out of the trailer >leaving the rest of the trailer behind to crash into trees and oncoming >traffic on its own. > >Gerald J. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 23:25:45 -0500 From: Dick Kenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [VACList] pressure water tank >[snip] > >The Web URL: > >http://www.kampersupply.com You need a double "s" in there. - - Dick (5368) "God Himself, sir, does not propose to judge a man until his life is over. Why should you and I?" -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) - --------------------------------------- Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672 Retired and loving it! WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella Atlanta mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mindspring.com/~as5368/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:12:33 -0800 (PST) From: John Leggett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] History of Mobile Homes & Trailers - Website I stumbled across this interesting link to a Harvard Business Study on Manuafctured Housing. The link below is to the Trailer section timeline. Thought this crowd might enjoy the mini vinettes, which parallel Bryan Burkhart's latest book on trailer travel. http://www.gsd.harvard.edu/studios/s97/burns/trailer.html John Leggett 1968 Safari 22 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 01:23:37 -0500 From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Double Bed I have a '60 Overlander with twins. I made a removable platform (4 pieces) that stow away in the rear closet to convert the twins into a king. The foam needed to fill in the mattress is in two pieces and stow on the twins as a sofa back. The only problem is no access to the bathroom while the bed is in place. Unless you call crawling over the bed access! No problem yet as our son is still in diapers and we stow the bed away each morning. Scott - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Combs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: [VACList] Double Bed > I'm wanting to convert the twin bed setup in > my rear-bathroom coach into a double bed. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 01:41:27 -0500 From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] pressure water tank Herb, I have the same tank set up that you had. I also would like to keep the original front fill. Scott - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb Spies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [VACList] pressure water tank > I can't directly answer your 2 questions. But when I replaced my round tank I > had another constraint that turned out to be the hardest to solve. I have a 63 > Globetrotter that has the water tank across the front and a neat brass filler on > the front of the coach near the gas bottles. I wanted to leave this original > filler where it was and keep it functional. I found several local dealers could > order the round galvanized tank for about $600. But the original tank had a pipe > welded into the side of the tank for the brass filler to connect to. It appeared > to me that has been added to the tank at the Airstream Factory. On a new metal > tank I would have had to find a local welder to add that to the new tank. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 01:21:25 -0800 From: Rik & Susan Beeson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] pressure water tank This is just a suggestion... but given how pricey those tanks are, you might look at an outfit that conditions water, such as (around here) Culligan. IIRC, they have galvanized tanks of various sizes made to hold water under pressure. A pump store is another possibility. Some pressure tanks (including one I have here) look pretty much like the under-bed tanks in those old 'Streams. Just a thought, FWIW...maybe nothing ~ Rik Kevin D Allen wrote: >Greetings Scott! > >When I saw your post earlier today, I thought that I had seen listings >for new tanks. I found them in my Kampers Supply Catalog this evening: > >#88-1015 11.9 Gallon Galvanized $406.00 - - (12" Diameter x 26" Long) >#88-1016 18.9 Gallon Galvanized $433.00 - - (12" Diameter x 40" Long) >#88-1017 27.1 Gallon Galvanized $562.00 - - (12" Diameter x 56" Long) >#88-1018 25.0 Gallon Galvanized $574.00 - - (14" Diameter x 40" Long) > >The specifications include the following information: > >Hot dipped galvanized, 100 p.s.i. working pressure, meets all IAMPO >standards, 1.25" NPT Fill, .50" NPT outlet, and 3/8" drain. > >The Web URL: > >http://www.kampersupply.com >e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Phone: 618-985-6959 > >This data is from the Brand X dealer who has performed most of my brake >work on the Overlander and is my choice when I am too far from Ace >Fogdall to get into their shop. > >Good luck in locating a replacement tank for your Overlander. > >Kevin > >Kevin D. Allen >1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban >1978 Argosy Minuet >1975 Cadillac Convertible (towcar in-training) >WBCCI/VAC #6359 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of >Scott Scheuermann >Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:15 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [VACList] pressure water tank > >Well, our annual Christmas break trip from Cleveland to Tampa and back >went >almost without a hitch. The weather cooperated for the entire trip. >However >while in Florida I took advantage of the warm weather to do some repairs >and >discovered that the old galvanized fresh water tank has sprung a slow >leak. >:-( I guess that 42 years was its limit! I seem to remember that this >topic >came up last year and that someone had found a source for these >galvanized >cylindrical tanks. I will look up the specifics later, but my question >is >has anyone actually purchased a tank from these people? If anyone has, >please share your experiences. From what I remember they were quite >pricey, >but may be worth the cost for me since I would want to make major >modifications to the plumbing if I were to replace the pressure tank and >air >pump with the modern standards. As much as I would like to make the >modifications I just don't see having the time to do this before needing >to >be back on the road with her again. > >Another, less costly option I am considering is to remove the old tank >and >see if I could find someone to line it with the stuff they use for >rusted >out automotive gasoline tanks. Does anyone know if the stuff is safe to >use >for a drinking water tank? > >Scott >1960 Overlander > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > >To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to >http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 01:40:45 -0800 From: Joann Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] History of Mobile Homes & Trailers - Website John - pretty cute site. I was curious about the Caravan model - quite recent but as weird looking as one of the very earliest attempts at aerodynamic design. Thanks. Jo Ann On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 10:12 PM, John Leggett wrote: > I stumbled across this interesting link to a Harvard > Business Study on Manuafctured Housing. The link > below is to the Trailer section timeline. Thought > this crowd might enjoy the mini vinettes, which > parallel Bryan Burkhart's latest book on trailer > travel. > > http://www.gsd.harvard.edu/studios/s97/burns/trailer.html > > John Leggett > 1968 Safari 22 > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 06:50:33 -0500 From: Bob Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Double Bed Here's a company making custom mattresses. I plan to have them make my mattress and will visit them to delivery the template of a mattress with two rounded corners. I'll let the list know how well it turns out. http://www.sdiproducts.com/sdiproducts/rvmattress.html Bob Patterson ------------------------------ End of VACList Digest V3 #67 **************************** When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
