VACList Digest Wednesday, March 5 2003 Volume 03 : Number 122
When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html Topics in Today's Digest: Re: [VACList] registering an Airstream Re: [VACList] The vent is gone Re: [VACList] registering an Airstream California VIN Re: [VACList] 1960's Airstream Sales Catalogs Re: [VACList] marine plywood sources Re: [VACList] registering an Airstream California VIN [VACList] Changing the color of cabinets Re: [VACList] Changing the color of cabinets Re: [VACList] 1960's Airstream Sales Catalogs Re: [VACList] Gel Coat Re: [VACList] Changing the color of cabinets [VACList] 60's sales lit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:50:49 -0800 From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] registering an Airstream OK. Further explanation may be necessary to gravitate away from the facitious. Many vintage Airstreams do not have an acceptable VIN number or plate. The DMV here in Carlsbad will not accept the Airstream plate near the door. The average wait to find this out is well over an hour . . . not to mention the inconvenience of towing the unit to DMV. AAA reps accepted the Airstream ID plate because it matched the "VIN" on the registration papers. DMV would not accept the non standard VIN. Those who choose to subject themselves to the vagaries of the California DMV offices when a simpler path is available . . . can make that choice. Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com 66 Airstream Safari 73 Ford Econoline Hi-Top Mira Mar Mobile Park, Oceanside, CA - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Quamen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [VACList] registering an Airstream > > I have been there and done that and the AAA is > > still the best way to go. > > > > Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com > > Ah....sure Bob....of course. How silly of me to think otherwise. > > GQ '67 Safari > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:01:40 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [VACList] The vent is gone In a message dated 3/3/3 11:40:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << That may well be thue but eaven tho I am not a wealthy man i can see no reason to gouge my fellow Airstreamers when I have a chance to be helpful. JIM smith >> Good for you Jim wealth is not always measured in dollar's, in the end your good deed will come back to you. After all isn't that what this list is all about...............Thomas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:23:35 -0800 From: "Oliver Filippi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] registering an Airstream California VIN If you can't go to the AAA [ by far the better way], California DMV will require a "rubbing" of the VIN number. As Bob pointed out, you cannot get a legible "rubbing" off the Airstream ID plate. However, there is a way to beat the system. As follows: Recreate the VIN number using a Dymo labeler. Then make a rubbing of this raised number by placing a sheet of plain paper over it and rubbing with the side of and old fashioned wood pencil. The reason for the rubbing is because the DMV had too many ID numbers which were misread, and hence in error. If you want to be completely honest, you can stick the Dymo label to your Airstream and then make the rubbing. That way you can say with a straight face that you took the number off your trailer! The Automobile Club's rep is trustwothy, hence the DMV will accept their visual reading of the VIN number. However, the Auto Club will insist that you bring the trailer to their office (parking lot) so their representative can verify the number. Good luck, Oliver Filippi - ----- Original Message ----- From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [VACList] registering an Airstream > OK. Further explanation may be necessary to gravitate away from the > facitious. Many vintage Airstreams do not have an acceptable VIN number or > plate. The DMV here in Carlsbad will not accept the Airstream plate near > the door. The average wait to find this out is well over an hour . . . not > to mention the inconvenience of towing the unit to DMV. > > AAA reps accepted the Airstream ID plate because it matched the "VIN" on the > registration papers. DMV would not accept the non standard VIN. Those who > choose to subject themselves to the vagaries of the California DMV offices > when a simpler path is available . . . can make that choice. > > Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com > 66 Airstream Safari > 73 Ford Econoline Hi-Top > Mira Mar Mobile Park, Oceanside, CA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Quamen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:38 PM > Subject: Re: [VACList] registering an Airstream > > > > > I have been there and done that and the AAA is > > > still the best way to go. > > > > > > Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com > > > > Ah....sure Bob....of course. How silly of me to think otherwise. > > > > GQ '67 Safari > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 18:05:48 -0600 From: Herb Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] 1960's Airstream Sales Catalogs This refers to the 63 brochure. I took a magnifing glass and looked at the original brochure. On the Bambi and the Globetrotter pictures the tonque jack is down but the jack has been "painted" out. All you see is a slight outline of the jack and wheel. On the Trade Wind the jack is down but is hidden by the Indian except for a slice of the wheel. The Overlander is down but is in the dark shadow. The equalizer bars show only on the Overlander and the Tradewind and sem to be hooked up. Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer wrote: >Chris Elliott wrote: > > >>Ever notice how somebody is always standing in front of the jack post in the >>old photos ( especially with the smaller tow cars , but the caddys too) Me >>thinks they have the jack cranked up level ... >> Chris >> >> >> > >Or: The trailer and car weren't hitched together. Just parked together. >I'll have to go back and look at more of them. I did notice some hitches >were carefully hidden by shapely legs. > >Gerald J. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > >To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to >http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:16:20 -0500 (EST) From: Bobby Gill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] marine plywood sources Q) Can anyone recommend a source of marine plywood? The source should preferably be as close to Columbia, SC to reduce shipping costs. A) You can see if Home Depot will order it for you. The one here will but you pay in advance. Also look around for ACX. It has a smooth side and rough side Also, I have been told that the bathroom furniture on my 68 can be gelcoated. Has anyone actually done this successfully? If so, any recommendations on who/where to buy materials from? I have been told you can gel coat them too but I've also been told that the bathroom fixtures (sink/tub) are plastic. Gel coat works great on fiberglass as I have sprayed it on several Vette's and boats, also sprayed the tub in my rental house and it's great stuff. As for a supplier you can get it from a marine supply store and some auto body supply shops. Bobby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:27:26 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [VACList] registering an Airstream California VIN In a message dated 3/4/03 2:23:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << As Bob pointed out, you cannot get a legible "rubbing" off the Airstream ID plate. >> We can attest to the difficulty of dealing with the CA DMV. We bought out Globetrotter from Dan at Vintage Campers in Indiana and had it towed here (to Riverside) by Rick Davis. I called the DMV to determine how we register it and found that it involved taking paperwork to the DMV (get an appointment, wait in line anyway, deal with red tape, etc. ) to get a temporary registration so that we could take it on the road to the DMV to show them the VIN number. We had never towed anything in our lives. But we hooked up the Suburban and made our way 3 miles to the DMV office terrified that we'd hit someone, nervous about every rattle and bump we'd heard (we pulled over twice) and anxious that we'd really gotten in over our heads with insufficient preparation. We made it to the parking lot and sprawled it across several spaces grateful to have made it alive and without damage. A guy pulls up in his truck - blocks our path, jumps out and says "wow, these are really cool, ya wanna sell it to me?" Needless to say, we didn't sell but did give him a tour and pointed him to some websites to check. Next I went inside, stood in line again, and was assured that someone would be out soon to check the number if we pulled around to the other side of the building. Naturally, we were pointed in the wrong direction and had to pull into an alley, scraping the bumper in the process to find an open field to turn around in, to get back into the alley, to get back to the DMV parking lot, scraping the bumper again (it was a really deep gutter) and around the proper side of the building pointing in the prescribed direction. Then we waited for another 45 minutes. I went back inside, waited in line again, to find out that "oh, didn't the person come out? oh, well, we'll see where she is". Twenty minutes later that woman comes out to look at the VIN, BUT WAIT, the registration from Ohio and the sales reciept from Indiana show a VIN of D21D9J195 (starts with D as in Dog). The plate next to the door looks more like an O as in octopus, but it's hard to tell, could go either way. Hmmmm, gotta find a supervisor. The supervisor has to call his supervisor. Much discussion ensues. Massive amounts of paperwork are generated. Three and a half hours after we left home, we finally had our paperwork and could go home to back the trailer into our yard for the first time. This took a long time and much stress. We must have lost 5 lbs. each that day just from sweat (and it was February). If only we had thought of the AAA. Virginia Fesunoff 1969 Globetrotter 21' 1996 Suburban 1500 Old Town Discovery 17'4" Canoe http://www.pe.net/~breaktek/darkrmpro/airstream/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 21:09:34 -0500 From: BRHAB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] Changing the color of cabinets A friend of mine, has a 1973 27'. As most of you know, Airstream started using a "wood look" made from plastic type material. She very much wants to get rid of that look either by painting, covering, etc... Has anyone done this to their Airstream? If so, how?? What do you recommend. And yes, I have told them, they can join the WBCCI free the first year, showing new ownership. I was hoping to get them to their first rally in April, but the can not go. Paul Waddell WBCCI/VAC/WDCU 1270 66 Overlander 70 23' LY single ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:41:17 -0600 From: "jrlkleven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Changing the color of cabinets Paul, Have you told them how good it looks original and offered any reason to leave it that way??? Kidding, but being I'm a semi-purist (emphasis semi), the horror stories are plentiful unless it's a complete custom job that overrides the deflation of what is possibly about to happen. If they are sure they want to change it, the options are unlimited but people have been turned off more often then not because previous owners have had "Visions". Maybe you can convince them of how cool daisy wallpaper really is, and that dark walnut or hickory is coming back! I'll give you (them) that the gold and green upholstery probably needs to go because it's likely moldy and stinks but painting the fake wood cabinets will look worse then it maybe does now. New curtains would be awesome and might make those cabinets look better too. Just a thought. Randy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "BRHAB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 8:09 PM Subject: [VACList] Changing the color of cabinets > A friend of mine, has a 1973 27'. As most of you know, Airstream > started using a "wood look" made from plastic type material. She > very much wants to get rid of that look either by painting, > covering, etc... Has anyone done this to their Airstream? If > so, how?? What do you recommend. > > And yes, I have told them, they can join the WBCCI free the first > year, showing new ownership. I was hoping to get them to their > first rally in April, but the can not go. > > Paul Waddell > WBCCI/VAC/WDCU 1270 > 66 Overlander > 70 23' LY single > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 20:42:10 -0600 From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] 1960's Airstream Sales Catalogs I've looked through the scanned brochure and agree with that evaluation. The hitch is practically inside the bumper of the Falcon, too close for decent turning, but I think there's no hitch. Gerald J. Herb Spies wrote: > > This refers to the 63 brochure. > > I took a magnifying glass and looked at the original brochure. On the > Bambi and the Globetrotter pictures the tongue jack is down but the > jack has been "painted" out. All you see is a slight outline of the jack > and wheel. On the Trade Wind the jack is down but is hidden by the > Indian except for a slice of the wheel. The Overlander is down but is in > the dark shadow. The equalizer bars show only on the Overlander and the > Tradewind and seem to be hooked up. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 18:56:28 -0800 From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Gel Coat http://www.fgci.com/ I think Kevin Allen had his done commercially (story in the archives), and I've seen some beautiful restoration jobs at the rallies. RJ VintageAirstream.com > > Also, I have been told that the bathroom furniture on > my 68 can be gelcoated. Has anyone actually done this > successfully? If so, any recommendations on who/where > to buy materials from? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 19:04:48 -0800 From: Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Changing the color of cabinets I second Randy's observations - unless they can do an entire custom replacement, as some on the list have*, the horror stories of trying to "spruce up" the vinyl cabinets are well documented in the archives. New soft goods will go a great way to brighten and update the interior. RJ Quote *I posted some photos of the A/S on Shutterfly. These were taken about a year ago. We've done some more work since then and I will post new photos when available. For the most part they are self-explanatory, but I will add captions when I have a chance. "After" photos. http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b304dfa7e483 "Before" photos: http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b304df906584 "Under Construction" photos: http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b304d8892506 Photos of the front dinette: http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b304df946580 I'm happy to answer any questions, on-list or off. Lincoln Soule '77 Tradewind End Quote On 3/4/03 6:41 PM, "jrlkleven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul, > Have you told them how good it looks original and offered any reason to > leave it that way??? Kidding, but being I'm a semi-purist (emphasis semi), > the horror stories are plentiful unless it's a complete custom job that > overrides the deflation of what is possibly about to happen. If they are > sure they want to change it, the options are unlimited but people have been > turned off more often then not because previous owners have had "Visions". > Maybe you can convince them of how cool daisy wallpaper really is, and that > dark walnut or hickory is coming back! I'll give you (them) that the gold > and green upholstery probably needs to go because it's likely moldy and > stinks but painting the fake wood cabinets will look worse then it maybe > does now. New curtains would be awesome and might make those cabinets look > better too. Just a thought. > Randy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BRHAB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 8:09 PM > Subject: [VACList] Changing the color of cabinets > > >> A friend of mine, has a 1973 27'. As most of you know, Airstream >> started using a "wood look" made from plastic type material. She >> very much wants to get rid of that look either by painting, >> covering, etc... Has anyone done this to their Airstream? If >> so, how?? What do you recommend. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:49:43 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [VACList] 60's sales lit ok you truck heads! I tow my 22' airsream with a CAR! & it works very well and after i set up camp I can tour in a smoth riding car. MARK 67 Safari 90 cev caprice (x cop car) ------------------------------ End of VACList Digest V3 #122 ***************************** When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
