----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Walsh" <s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
To: "Monica Hall" <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Cc: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Capona?


Exactly! I think this present day obsession with the idea that the dances were obscene and that being banned gives them some sort of instrinsic merit
is a bit wide of the mark.

Monica, who is obsessed with obscenity and  early dance!?

You should get out more and read more of the liner notes to CDs made by groups like Les Otros!

When I read, a
while ago, that the early 'sarabanda' had been banned for lewdness in some places, I thought that that was just extraordinary. And now the capona too, good grief! I think it would be fascinating to know what they were on about.

I think they waved their arms about a bit and wiggled their hips. If you have Lute 2007 you will see the illustration on the front cover. It's on my Facebook site too.


(I've got a book tucked away somewhere which says the same thing about the 19th century waltz)

Sounds familiar.

Monica



  (I just went to see ENO's production of Castor
and Pollux in which the artists spent a lot of taking their knickers off -
unthinkable in Rameau's time.   They were actually quite prudish.

But I
  can see now why Guerau in his Poema Harmonica says something to the
  effect that studying his complicated and difficult variations on the
  dance pieces will keep you out of trouble.

Well he actaully says "Use it to banish idleness and raise your heart to
God". But that's the sort of thing that they say in these prefaces. They were very high minded. How many players on this list raise their hearts to
God when playing?

Monica

    -- R
    On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Eloy Cruz wrote:

    Dear Stuart, list
    This is from Cotarelo y Mori's "Coleccion":
    p. CCXXXVII. Capona (La) (Baile). Dicc. de Autoridades: ^3Son o
    baile a modo
    de la Mariona; pero mas rapido y bullicioso, con el cual y a cuyo
    tanido se
    cantan varias coplillas^2.
    A very bad English translation could be:
    Music and  dance in the way of a Mariona, but faster and noisier; to
    which
    music they use to sing several small coplas.
    In a 17th cent. Spanish play, one of the characters says he won't
    dance to
    that music, because it is "of very bad circumstances", because the
    word
    capon is used to refer to a man who has been emasculated.
    Best wishes
    eloy
    El [FECHA], "[NOMBRE]" <[DIRECCION]> escribio:

       Hi Stuart,
       I don't know what capona means, and I don't have the music handy,
    but I
       enjoyed this. I like your tempo.
       Best,
       Jocelyn
       From: Stuart Walsh [1]<[1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
       Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 20:14:31 +0000
       To: Vihuelalist [2]<[2]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
       Subject: [VIHUELA] Capona?
       Timo Peedu has edited some Carbonchi pieces (to be found on his
    ning
       early guitar page). Included are two short and simple but unusual
       pieces
       with the title 'Capona'.
       There are a couple of versions of a very fancy Capona by
    Kapsberger
       (including one by Rob Mackillop).
       Any ideas what Capona means?
       Here is a go at the simple ones by Carbonchi. If I have
    misunderstood
       the timing or the way it should be played, I'd like to know
    (preferably
       in a polite way!)
       [3][3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUfrieijW5I
       Stuart
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