Dear Lex,
By and large I agree! It was simply that you seemed pretty certain
that de Murcia expected bourdons on both fourth and fifth courses for
his solo music that I thought you might have some evidence.
regards
Martyn
__________________________________________________________________
From: Lex Eisenhardt <eisenha...@planet.nl>
To: 'Vihuelalist' <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 13:39
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
It would be difficult to argue about your personal preferences, Martyn.
And 'more common solo repertoire tunings of the period'? How about
Guerau or
Ribayaz, and Castillion? Better to admit that we cannot be sure about
those
things.
Lex
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Van: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
Namens
Martyn Hodgson
Verzonden: dinsdag 13 mei 2014 14:27
Aan: Lex Eisenhardt; 'Vihuelalist'
Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
I agree with you about sizes of 5 course guitars but not about your
preferred tuning for de Murcia's solo music: in my view it works best
with the 'French' ('Corbetta') tuning with a bourdon only on the
fourth
course. By best I mean that tuning in which the various parts are
clearest with minimal breaks in tessitura. Of course, no historic
guitar tuning is perfect for everything and whatever tuning is
employed
there are going to be some such breaks but I think this is merely the
idiosyncratic charm of the instrument.
I think it a mistake to presume he would use the same tuning he
employed for basso continuo for his solo music. In my view it's more
likely he employed one of the more common solo repertoire tunings of
the period: ie either the 'French' tuning or possibly that with just
high octaves on the fourth and fifth courses
Martyn
__________________________________________________________________
From: Lex Eisenhardt <[3]eisenha...@planet.nl>
To: 'Vihuelalist' <[4]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 12:46
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
The corpus of original guitars (not vihuelas) is often 'very large'.
And low
octaves A and d seem to be an educated choice for Murcia, taking into
account the composers' work (1714) on basso continuo.
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[mailto:[2][6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
Namens
Martyn Hodgson
Verzonden: dinsdag 13 mei 2014 13:30
Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene
CC: Vihuelalist
Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large'
instrument:
in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela
played by Orpheus in Milan's collection. Perhaps you mean it's
bigger
than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because
of
a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!...
regards,
Martyn
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From: Monica Hall <[3][7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
To: "Braig, Eugene" <[4][8]brai...@osu.edu>
Cc: Vihuelalist <[5][9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Wow! If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de
Murcia
you
will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from
Passacalles y
obras! It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the
4th
and
5th courses.....with a very imposing sound.
Interesting indeed.
It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his
Obras
de
guitarra series.
Amazing what you can find on the internet.
Monica
----- Original Message -----
From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1][6][10]brai...@osu.edu>
To: "Monica Hall" <[2][7][11]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[3][8][12]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
> Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose
> Romanillos.
>
> Best,
> Eugene
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Monica Hall [[4][9][13]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
> To: Braig, Eugene
> Cc: Vihuelalist
> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
0-9618527-1-2
>
> Please do - that would be helpful!
> Monica
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Braig, Eugene" <[5][10][14]brai...@osu.edu>
> To: "Vihuelalist" <[6][11][15]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM
> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
0-9618527-1-2
>
>
>> Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can
check
the
>> exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office),
but
he
>> certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in
"early"
>> instruments.
>>
>> Best,
>> Eugene
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7][12][16]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
>> To: Braig, Eugene
>> Cc: Vihuelalist
>> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
0-9618527-1-2
>>
>> That's helpful. I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded
4
pieces
>> by
>> Murcia in 1979to . He and James Tyler play "baroque
instruments"
but
>> Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar. I am sure there
must
be
>> more.
>>
>> Monica
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Braig, Eugene" <[8][13][17]brai...@osu.edu>
>> To: "Vihuelalist" <[9][14][18]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM
>> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
0-9618527-1-2
>>
>>
>>>I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in
on
their
>>>activity for years. I'm not certain where to find them any
longer
.
. .
>>>or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist.
>>>
>>> Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware
of:
>>> - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977);
>>> - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La
Burlesca:
>>> 1978); and
>>> - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985).
>>>
>>> I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have
immediately
>>> on hand in the day-job office.
>>>
>>> Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom
you
might
>>> want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on
the
>>> summit
>>> list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his
teacher,
>>> Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev.
>>>
>>> Luck,
>>> Eugene
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [10][15][19]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
[mailto:[11][16][20]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
>>> Behalf Of Monica Hall
>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM
>>> To: Azalais
>>> Cc: Vihuelalist
>>> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
0-9618527-1-2
>>>
>>> I have Lorimer's facsimile. What I am really trying to find
out
is
>>> whether
>>> there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987
and
also
>>> whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were
published
>>> before
>>> that date. The date 1987 is crucial because that is when
Lorimer's
>>> facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly
became
>>> flavour of the month big time. Several people including
myself
did
>>> dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert
Strizich
>>> refers
>>> to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of
1974.
>>>
>>> Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the
>>> Guitar-Summit
>>> list. I sent my message to them because it is more orientated
towards
>>> the
>>> classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could
answer
>>> this query which is more about classical guitar versions than
baroque
>>> guitar.
>>> But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't
had
any
>>> response. Perhaps it is now defunct.
>>>
>>> Regards to all
>>>
>>> Monica
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Azalais
>>> To: Monica Hall
>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM
>>> Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Monica,
>>>
>>>
>>> Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia
references
leads
>>> me to believe that you must already have access to Michael
Lorimer's
>>> book
>>> and its bibliography.
>>>
>>>
>>> If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for the research! I have always been a fan of De
Murcia.
>>>
>>>
>>> Azalais
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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