Kyle Mcallister wrote:
Vortexians,
OK, this is getting a little "crazy-go-nuts."
1. Margaret Sanger was responsible for some good, yes. She was also crazy. Not the kind of person I would want to spend much time with. Very pro-eugenics. If you support that, then congratulations, go build yourself a private Gattaca. Leave me the hell out of it.
The problem is that some people would be very willing to leave you and people with your belief system alone. However, there seems to be an unwillingness of certain religious belief systems to leave the rest of us alone.
2. I am not pro-abortion for a few reasons. A: It does nothing to encourage people to stop the numerous "meet and f**k" flings.
Lack of abortion does not stop f**kings, which all the statistics and personal experience shows.
B: I wouldn't know if I was destroying someone who might be something very important one day.
Or someone who was a mass murder. Of course, if God wanted a person available to do something considered important, why would it matter if that body were destroyed? Many more bodies would be available. Also, if God is all powerful and all knowing, why would a body that might be aborted be chosen?
C: I do not have to be pro-abortion just because you say so. So many people have tried to force me to be pro-abortion that I am now totally against it mainly in defiance of those who would control my thinking.
Why do you think you are being forced to be proabortion and how is this done? Of course, many people are being forced to be "antiabortion" just because the doctors are being driven out of business.
3. A religious person really really must have made you
mad once, Jed? It is fine by me if you are
anti-religion, do what you want to. But if you want to
try and say you and the anti-religionists are better
than anyone who has a religion, or worse force your
views on them via legislature, well, kindly knock the
hell off.
I know of no proposed legislation that is antireligious. However, I know that the religious right is trying to make gay marriage illegal.
You know, if we are supposed to be so
pro-women-liberation in other countries, so
pro-freedom, so pro-lets-all-get-along-as-equals, so
pro-<insert theme of day here> then why the HELL is it
ok and dandy to hate religion?
I did not get the impression that Jed hates religion, nor do I. However, I do hate the attitude of certain religions in their belief that their God is better than the other God.
If you think I am
overreacting, then re-read your posts. They were pretty damned irritating to me at least, and I am sure others. Not for your opinion, that is fine. Do what you want. But do not ever try to force it on anyone else. By legislation or otherwise. This statement (the last part anyways) is not directly aimed at anyone.
I would also like religious people not to force their beliefs using legislation, which is the common approach.
4. Contraception? Sure, why not. I have no problem with this. But please, if anyone out there wants to force the use of them on people who do NOT want to use them, kindly take a hike. This statement is not directly aimed at anyone.
As far I know, no one is forced to use contraception. However, for awhile in this country and even now in some other countries, condoms were not easily available because the Catholic Church was opposed.
5. Are you guys actually reading this? I don't get many replies........
Does this quantify?
6. You know, the Pope just died. He meant alot to many people. (I am not catholic, by the way, but I damn sure respect them and am not going to say they are 400 years behind!) If this form of lack of respect for the dearly departed is implicit in your atheistic-utopia vision, then count me completely out.
I think you miss the difference between respect and agreement with opinion and policy. I respect the pope, but I think, for what its worth, his policy is harmful to humanity. I respect you but I do not share your beliefs.
7. If this continued anti-religious bias is to be embraced and accepted, then do not EVER ask me to show compassion towards some special interest group of to feel sorry for Muslims who might have been discriminated against in the days to follow September 11th. Why should one group be discriminated against and not another?
Why indeed? I agree, we should be equal opportunity discriminators. :-)
8. DISCLAIMER!!! This is aimed at no one in particular! (so don't take it as being aimed at you, Jed). If there is someone who feels that the need for population control is so severe that we need to force people to go against their religious and/or moral views and be forced to employ contraceptives or abortion, then here is an alternative. If there is someone who really wants to force that kind of control on other people, then kindly do the following: get yourself a gun, and shoot yourself now. You will have accomplished what you set out to do: you have reduced the worlds population by 1, and I guarantee you that the cost of some contraceptives or an abortion is much more than the cost of the gunpowder it took you to blow yourself to hell.
I bit of over reaction. don't you think?
There are more, but for the moment I am too pissed off to handle them clearly. I am sorry if the tone is extremely abrasive, I am very angry. And before you judge me personally, keep this in mind. You don't know me in real life, you don't know what I have been through, you don't know who I really am. And just so people know, I am not exactly what you would call a religious man. You could call me a Christian, I do believe in God, but I have my own views on things, and lets leave it at that...if you judged me based on seeing "that word" then you are not worth my time. But I am also standing up in defense of the Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, whoever.
We all suffer from our past experiences and are sensitive to criticism. That is why no laws should be passed for behavior that does not harm another person. However, religion seems to think that an absolute behavior exists, which is determined by God. Hence, they want to force everyone to have that behavior. That is the problem, not the reverse, which causes you heart burn.
Jed, you believe science and religion cannot coexist. This isn't a belief, you are stating something as fact. You are wrong in one case, at least. They coexist just fine in the reality of my mind, if they cannot work together for you in your reality, then that is fine. Don't presume that just because you can't make it work, no one else can.
I think Jed was making the general observation that logic based on science has a hard time with faith based on religion. If you can, as many people do, occupy both worlds without conflict, you are very much like most people.
Sorry if this offended anyone. But maybe it is time
those people who quietly keep getting offended
themselves say something.
No offense taken.
Regards, Ed
Regards, --Kyle
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