Hi,
I think it's a smart move of Toyota.
Take note, Toyoto is also aware of "wet van de remmende voorsprong", so
they need to leap forward somehow or the competition will do it instead.
And if Europe and the US are not available as a market due to
certification issues they will focus on the Chinese and Indian market.
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_handicap_of_a_head_start
Kind regards,
Rob
Lennart Thornros schreef op 7-1-2015 om 00:49:
There is a theoretic business model called the S-curve theory that
explains the possibilities and the risk with new technology. The
typewriters , the vacuum tubes, the adding machines etc. are good
examples.
So far I am in agreement with the idea that there is a market changes
due to technology.
LENR absolute but not now. To dangerous to take such a step. Even if
they present a car driven by LENR it would take years to get
acceptance. Maybe Toyota is not thinking so well.
The first ones to move to new technology seldom prevail. Apple might
be good today but that has more to do with the I-phone than their
computers of 1984. Texas Instrument are not a major player on the
semiconductor market compare 1968. HP had some real early handheld
computers did not take them to the front of today's handheld market.
Many companies have seen this pattern repeat itself over the years and
realize being first or having the patent is not the most important -
in most cases. Xerox being the exception that shows validity to me of
that statement. Time ago it was the norm, that being first equaled
success.
The problems with LENR is of course that there is no theory that backs
it up.
There is nobody driving the development of LENR Rossi is
entrepreneurial and his new partner has been very quiet and
demonstrated very little leadership. BLP seems more focused on
academical result than commercialization. Maybe there are more
(better) information out there, which I am unaware of. In such case
now is the time to identify the winners and buy shares. I doubt it is
Toyota they remind me of IBM. Tesla maybe. Unknown entity is the most
likely in my opinion.
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On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:15 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net
<mailto:zeropo...@charter.net>> wrote:
Yes, they funded early LENR work with F&P.
IIRC, they stopped LENR research for a period of time, but then
restarted the effort.
You can bet the BoD and C-levels have been kept up-to-date about
developments in LENR...
-mark iverson
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Mark's thought also was the first idea that came into my head upon
reading Terry's comment.
I think they, Toyota, are onto LENR. Let's not forget they hired
Pons and Fleishman for research in Nice, France after they left
the USA.
Bob
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Misinformation? Toyota wants to make its competitors think it's
going down
fuel-cell path when it is really developing LENR-based tech for
powering its
future fleet...
-mark iverson
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From: Terry Blanton
Jed Rothwell wrote:
> I think this is a dead-end technology. It cannot compete with
plug-in
> electric hybrid cars and pure electric vehicles.
"Toyota and Tesla are nearing the end of sales of the jointly
developed RAV4
electric sport utility vehicle after delivering about 2,500 units
over more
than two years. The two companies are now taking separate paths,
with Tesla
working to bring the plug-in Model X crossover and a cheaper Model
3 sedan
to market. Toyota is preparing to sell its first fuel-cell vehicle, a
technology that Tesla’s billionaire co-founder Elon Musk has
ridiculed."
> Bizarre behavior on the part of Toyota unless they are suddenly
cowed by
> the possibility of losing large market share to Tesla.
Maybe not bizarre. Anyway, it's not wise to bet against Toyota.
Tesla's
shares are down 55 points since October-and Toyota is up 10.
Toyota may know
something that we, or even Elon-the-magnificent, do not yet
appreciate -
such as a breakthrough in cheap H2. GM dissed Toyota’s Prius a few
years
ago- as every "expert" in Detroit knew batteries were a dead-end
technology.
That was a billion dollar mistake that helped bankrupt GM.
Things change with the small incremental advance, and Toyota is
definitely a
player in LENR and with a hydrogen IP portfolio that is unreal. H2
may yet
be the low cost answer, and they know it. Even without them,
however, we are
only a breakthrough away from cheap H2 from LENR - maybe from a
water-dog-bone <g>.
Think about thermal decomposition of water with a newly discovered
catalyst,
probably in one of these 5300 patents, plus an improved dog-bone
reactor at
1300C.
As of now, we know that water molecules split into hydrogen and
oxygen at
2200 °C at a usable rate of about three percent (this is usable
since waste
heat is recycled at high efficiency) but with a breakthrough
catalyst and
low-cost heat, giving something like 2% conversion at 1300 °C,
plus good
heat recovery, then hydrogen becomes cheaper than battery-based
electricity
storage. The amount of lithium in a Tesla battery pack could
possibly power
1,000,000 dogbones.
We could be closer than anyone imagines to the hydrogen economy
... anyone
other than Toyota.
