On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, because the government paid for it. Also organized it. The scientists > could not have done what they did without the government. > Any organization could have done that. It would be better if there at > least were several organizations competing about the funding (They tried in > Russia as I said). I guarantee the scientists could do it with support from > many organizations. If free enterprise we would see organizations much more > efficient . > > > If I build a factory and I hire people to work in it, I get some of the > credit for what they do, even though they do the actual work. > Yeah, in Karl Marx ideal society. Besides that if you do not do a good > job you go bankrupt. Also called accountability - that does not exist > without competition. > > > I definitely think the State of Utah deserves some credit for cold fusion, > since it employed Pons and provided the lab space for the experiments. F&P > could not have done it without a paycheck and lab equipment. > Your logics are just in a class by itself. > > > Bardeen, Brattain and Shockley deserved the Nobel prize, but we also have > to thank the management at Bell Labs for hiring them, paying their > salaries, providing lab space, secretarial help, etc. I am sure the > secretaries and the other support staff did a lot essential work to enable > the discovery. Everyone at Bell Labs deserved a small share of the credit. > > Your logics are just in a class by itself. > If you eliminate the three names there would be very little fame to > share or . . . > > > > Governments pay for most fundamental research. Corporations do not > contribute much, because it does not often pay back directly. Of course > corporations have made important contributions, such as integrated circuits > invented at Texas Instruments. Following that invention, rapid progress was > made mainly thanks to NASA and Defense Dept., which ordered many ICs and > paid for additional R&D. > BTW I ordered a few 7400 series IC's in 1965. Do I deserve credit for > TI's invention?:) To your statement; Why corporations have short term goals > is determined by how funds can be allocated and how corporations can > benefit over short and long time. That in its turn is decided by tax > laws and if our philosophy is distributed resources or all in > one uncontrollable pile. That my friend is the pivot point. > > > Most real-time computer technology such as core memory, the CPU designs, > and so on, were invented at MIT in Project Whirlwind (1946 - 1953). Just > about every future important hardware designer participated at one time or > another. It was the training ground for the whole generation of people who > went on to invent modern computing. "Whirlwind alumni/ae have founded > countless companies and have made numerous innovations in technology and > software." (http://museum.mit.edu/150/21) > > Your logics are just in a class by itself. > > > > That was entirely paid for by the U.S. Air Force. > > Your logics are just in a class by itself. > > > > In the 1960s, IBM and other corporations took the lead in computer R&D. > The Air Force had to lead in the early 1950s because the research was not > profitable yet. It was more theoretical. It was vitally important to the > military, but not yet profitable. > > Your logics are just in a class by itself. > > Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)
