Dear Friends, How many hydrogen peroxide explosion have you "seen"? I remember 3, great risk to mimic fire with this stuff. iron is a good catalyst for peroxide decomposition. May I ask you to read the MSDS of this substance? Thanks! Peter
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: > Mark, > > > > It goes without saying that this was a hasty fiction put together to show > how this demo (or any similar demo by anyone) could be partially faked (i.e. > “enhanced”) in a way that could fit into a coherent story… and certainly was > not intended to be anything more than that. I should have prefaced the post > - to make that clear. > > > > However, I am in the outspoken minority (minority of one?) who do not trust > Rossi to be honest about important details, especially when they contradict, > as they often do, more reliable sources… like the Swedish isotope analysis, > for instance. > > > > However, I vaguely recall the video interview a week or so ago - with the > CEO of the Greek company … in which he indicated that a goodly portion of > the $100 million has already been released. Did anyone else catch this > interview? > > > > Jones > > > > > > *From:* Mark Iverson > > > > Items 5 and 7 are not fitting with the details that Rossi has stated, which > is that he ONLY receives money when the plant is producing energy... so > there is no "up-front cash". Don't think that the scenario is consistent > with first-hand information... > > > > 5) At this time, Rossi is already arranging a deal with the Greeks, > possibly for far less money than was finalized after the demo. > > > > 7) Then … flash … Rossi decides he can “enhance” the demo, and possibly > close the deal with the Greeks for more up-front cash - by using the low COP > of about 4 to heat a peroxide blend and get the ‘apparent’ COP up to maybe > 30. > > > > -Mark > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Jones > > First, don’t get me wrong. I thought the Bologna demo was robust and > legitimate at the time, and still think it could have been strongly OU – but > less so than appearances might indicate. > > However, there is no real proof of any huge gain until better controls are > implemented. I agree fully with Horace that the demo was shoddy. However, > all of us must realize by now, that any further public testing CANNOT HELP > Rossi. Deals are signed and he has nothing to gain till he gets the megawatt > device ready. > > > > A scenario which can answer a lot of questions would be this: > > > > 1) Focardi, Piantelli and many others have built Ni-H experiments for > years that showed modest gain > > 2) Mills has built Ni-H systems that purportedly show much higher gain > > 3) Rossi teamed with Focardi circa 2006, and they were able to get a > system up to say – COP of 4 by using nanopowder and Mills’ catalysts – maybe > less, but reliable. > > 4) Focardi is in ill-health and recently asks for a public demo while > he can still enjoy it > > 5) At this time, Rossi is already arranging a deal with the Greeks, > possibly for far less money than was finalized after the demo. > > 6) Rossi decides to do the Bologna demo for the benefit of his old > friend and mentor > > 7) Then … flash … Rossi decides he can “enhance” the demo, and possibly > close the deal with the Greeks for more up-front cash - by using the low COP > of about 4 to heat a peroxide blend and get the ‘apparent’ COP up to maybe > 30. > > 8) He would already know about this blend, since the Chinese have been > promoting it for a year or so. > > 9) Then the demo in Bologna and the positive PR. > > 10) The Greeks see this demo, are very impressed, fear competition - and > sign the check in January for more than they wanted to. > > 11) Of course a part of the funds are in escrow, but remember, Rossi can > still build reactors that are OU, so he can pull off something impressive in > the end, even without the peroxide boost and get the full payment. > > 12) Thus he has worded the contract in such a way that in the end a > showing of strong overunity is the criterion – not the full 30-1 gain > > 13) ERGO even without the ‘enhancement’ he used in the demo – he can be > successful on the contract clauses and claim his fee, but it might require > 700 reactors to get to the megawatt instead of 100. > > 14) Even with 700 it still makes economic sense but at 3 cents per kW-hr > instead of 1 cent. > > 15) In the mean time Rossi thinks that by using U of Bologna, the Swedes > and others - to figure out the underlying details that he realizes he does > not know, he might actually get the device into a more robust range than his > fall-back gain (COP = ~4) > > 16) Everyone lives happily ever after > > > > > > *From:* Jed Rothwell > > > > Jones Beene wrote: > > Considerably less than the $100 million Euros that a Greek investor might > be willing to advance …. > > Ha, ha. And how would this work now that they are testing it in Rossi's > absence? I imagine they will notice. > > > > JB: There will be no more public disclosures IMO. > > > > Surely the hidden tank will run out, or they will try another source of > water. > > > > JB: Part of the deal with the University is surely going to be a strong NDA > - till AR sez it’s OK > > > > BTW – calculations based on heat content can be thrown out the window > with peroxide blends, which produce cold steam with less energy than seems > physically possible … > > > > > > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
