Fran - I did not make it clear that in a "ZPE-only" interpretation, a nuclear reaction may not be needed, however - it is unclear if it can be completely avoided.
This brings up the "lochon" which is not a hydrino - although Andrew M. was a participant on the HSG for a long time. This has turned up on the another group's discussion. As I understand it, the lochon is a tightly bound electron pair. I do not know how it differs from a Cooper pair except he claims it shows up in lattice loading and is more tightly bound and "semi-bosonic" (net integer spin). If it is real, then a lochon can become a binding force between two protons, which otherwise want to repel. Thus, the Coulomb-barrier is reduced and the tunneling probability increases. Here is a paper that may explain more. http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Meulenbergtunnelingb.pdf In the context of Rossi, a lochon could provide a way for two protons to fuse into deuterium. If it is real, then fusion cannot be easily avoided even if your motivation (Mills/BLP) is strongly slanted towards complete avoidance of nuclear reactions (for IP reasons). In fact it can be argued that even if excess energy can be derived from ZPE or from hydrogen "shrinkage" without a nuclear process being involved, it would be very difficult to eliminate the nuclear process completely. And this might serve to largely nullify the patent portfolio of a particular company.... Jones -----Original Message----- From: Roarty, Francis X > My point is that some energy can be derived solely from ZPE and chemistry without the need for any nuclear reactions and it could even be of a similar scale.