Ad hominem, personal attack, is a logical fallacy, and a sure sign of
a lost argument, essentially a capitulation. It is even worse than
an appeal to authority in lieu of argument based on facts when such
is available.
On Aug 19, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/8/19 Horace Heffner <hheff...@mtaonline.net>:
Krivit's recent article that discusses the calorimetry issues I
think is
right on point, or on seven points if you will.
Krivit is a crackpotter with his seven points. If Krivit is so stupid
that he cannot calculate the enthalpy but only to nearest order of
magnitude, it is krivit's problem. But all that is necessary to know
from Krivit that he believes into fairytales like a water boiler that
produces 'very wet steam'. That is silly device that exists only at
Abd ul-Rahman's imagination.
All water boilers on Earth produce ca. 98% quality steam. This is the
well known fact where all steam technology is based on.
Whatever the actual quality of the steam the fact remains using a
relative humidity sensor to establish such a quality is a gross error.
Further, as you should remember from prior discussion here, steam
quality is almost an insignificant issue compared to the potential of
overflow of pure water, See
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg48633.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg48653.html
Have you done the tea kettle simulation of Rossi's experiment I
suggested yet, to prove you are right? I assume not, because you
already know what the results will be.
Krivit's seven points are clearly correct. There is not enough data
provided to calculate net enthalpy or even power to within an order
of magnitude. This has nothing to do with any individual's ability
to compute. It has only to do with the lack of data sufficient to do
a reliable computation, a lack of data sufficient to guarantee any
excess heat was produced at all.
Further, if there were any
real interest in applying serious science this would have been
accomplished
6 months ago.
You did not get it. Kullander, Lewan, galantini, and even perhaps
Krivit had all the resources to request this simple measurement, but
they all failed to do so, because they did not know how the enthalpy
should be measured. It was not Rossi's fault, but only those
incompetent independent scientist were guilty, who had free hands to
perform all the measurements what they choose think as necessary.
–Jouni
It is you who does not "get it". Investing in a free energy scheme
which supposedly produces "excess" or "free" heat is not sensible
without expert independent calorimetry being applied which determines
a total energy balance for critical demonstration tests. It is
whoever is responsible for due diligence that should be held
accountable for failing to take proper and sufficient actions to
protect investor's capital - assuming there are investors.
In October or November I hope the world will see a demonstration of
abundant excess heat. If not, it is a disaster for the field. If
not, I hope no investors lose a lot of money.
As stated earlier, I have made an earnest effort, and have resorted
to speculation in the extreme, to attempt to understand and justify
how Rossi's excess heat could be real:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44845.html
I hope the Rossi phenomenon is real. The problem is no data or even
theory has been presented, that I have seen, that reliably
demonstrates it is real. Replication, the gold standard for science,
is not permitted. The highest standards are thus required for any
proof of principle from a single source.
It is (still) incredible that it could be expected that anyone would
invest a dime in this technology without even the most basic and
inexpensive science being applied to the most important aspect,
calorimetry on the output products.
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
