In such kind of friendly discussions, it is polite tio answer all questions, not only some selected ones. However perhaps it will be better to speak about usable truths, those that can be put to work to us. If it is about truth re Cold Fusion, I will ask you to take a look to the 2005 Survey made by Steve Krivit and me. And to judge what's the situation today. great scarcity in matter of certainties. Peter
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Peter Heckert <peter.heck...@arcor.de>wrote: > Am 06.11.2011 13:19, schrieb Peter Gluck: > > OK, as far as you refer to science; can you tell a few absolute truths re > Cold Fusion or LENR except they exist? > If you have time please continue with lists of absolute truths > from technology, management, religion (there are~ 11500 religions all > claiming to be absolute truth), philosophy, ethics, sociology, politics, > ecology? And etc.? > > As regarding mathematics, I ask you to make a search for "mathematics > was invented or discovered?" and if you arrive to a conclusion, please come > back with a handful of absolute truths. > Perhaps Kurt Godel can help you a bit. (he is dead but this is not a > serious obstacle)- he says very interesting things, > Absolute truth seems to be both an oxymoron and a paradox. > > > It is a common misunderstanding, that Godel and Alan Turing have shown no > truth exists. > The opposite is true. They have shown that not all mathemathical truths > can be discovered and proven. > They have proven, there is much more truth than we ever can capture. > > Example: Hilbert has shown that euclidian geometry is without inner > contradictions and mathematically true. > He tried to expand this onto the whole mathematics and this is not > possible, according to Godel and Turing. > But this does not mean, no truth exists. It means we cannot prove all > truth that exists. > > About LENR: > If we cannot prove it, we cannot use it and vice versa. > > Coomonly these parts of truth that are impossible to prove are not very > important as long as we are physically alive, because we cannot make any > real use of this hidden truth and reality that exists. > > Best, > > Peter > > > a peterer, probably the peterest Peter on Vortex > > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Peter Heckert <peter.heck...@arcor.de>wrote: > >> Am 06.11.2011 09:43, schrieb Peter Gluck: >> >>> My Dear Friends, >>> >>> Please read my regular issue of INFORMAVORE's SUNDAY: >>> >>> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/11/informavores-sunday-no-480.html >>> >>> It is a pleasure to discover, especially to discover new aspects, >>> surprising features of old ideas and ancient concepts. Some 3 years >>> ago I wrote an essay-editorial about lies: "Small Man, why are you >>> lying all the time?" >>> The main 'discovery' was that lies are relative, they do not exist if >>> there is no truth. Each and every lie is the opposite of a truth. >>> Now I had a slow revelation (it lasted some 10 months, I am not >>> a fast thinker): there exists a special category of lies, Big Lies. >>> Their opposite is not a truth but also a lie. >>> Due to a memory glitch, I am not able to give you examples >>> but I am convinced you will be able to find at least one. >>> The things are more weird than we can imagine- as more very >>> wise thinkers have stated. >>> Peter >>> >> >> In natural science and technology lies are not relative. >> Nature is always true and cannot be in error and never lies. Humans can >> be in error and can lie. >> But there is absolute truth. >> >> Lets think about the most true science that exists: Mathematics. >> Where does this absolute truth come from? >> Does it come out of human mind? No, it doesnt. >> If I write a letter then the existence of this letter is absolutely >> evident, testable and true. >> This is where absolute truth in mathematics comes from. >> Mathematics without the absolute true existence of written letters is >> impossible. >> >> Absolute truth exists, it is nature itself. Natural reality is truth, it >> is the same thing. >> Therefore lies about natural observable facts are not relative lies. >> >> kind regards, >> >> Peter >> >> > > > -- > Dr. Peter Gluck > Cluj, Romania > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com > > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
