On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Mauro Lacy <ma...@lacy.com.ar> wrote:
> On 11/06/2011 12:49 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: > >> On 11/06/2011 11:41 AM, John Harris wrote: >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John Harris"<johnharri...@dodo.com.**au<johnharri...@dodo.com.au> >>> > >>> To:<vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:38 PM >>> Subject: Re: Fw: [Vo]:INFORMAVORE's SUNDAY >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----->>> ----- Original Message ----- From: >>>> "Peter >>>> Heckert" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> <peter.heck...@arcor.de> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In natural science and technology lies are not relative. >>>>>>>> Nature is always true and cannot be in error and never lies. Humans >>>>>>>> can be in error and can lie. >>>>>>>> But there is absolute truth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> And yet paradoxically nature itself is full of lies >>>>>> Moths that look like bees so they are not attacked >>>>>> Insects that look like twigs >>>>>> Birds that look like a part of the tree they are roosting in >>>>>> caterpillars with eyes on the tail end fish with wide open mouths that >>>>>> appear to be safe haven for smaller prey >>>>>> and many many more. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> What you mean is biological nature and human perception of it. >>>>> I think this is a projection. >>>>> There is no untruth in physical nature, it is our mind that lies. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> And yet in this instance the human mind does not lie >>> We perceive the stick insect and watch while it lunches off the aphids >>> that >>> do not perceive. >>> We recognize the Mopoke on the branch and watch while it makes dinner >>> of >>> the >>> skink that did not recognise it. >>> We see the reverse caterpillar and watch while the butcher bird gets >>> its >>> eyes full of acetic acid because it attacked the wrong end. >>> >>> The biological world is full of deception >>> >>> >>> >> As Peter Heckert said, you're projecting human traits (moreover, >> stuffing them with emotionality) to nature and nature events. >> >> Last night we watched "Grizzly Man", a masterly done documentary by >> Werner Hertzog, about Timothy Treadwell, a guy who lived for a good >> >> > > Herzog(damn!). Sorry Werner, the hideous spell checker does not know you. > > The subject "absolute truth" is too great for me especially during weekends. What I wrote is connected to a subject more popular here these days. The future is unknown, but perhaps it could be useful to )re) read the play OXYGEN by Djerassi and Hoffman http://www.djerassi.com/oxygen11/oxygen.htm I have translated it in Romanian but the text was lost due to a hard-disk crash. It gives an answer to the question: who has discovered oxygen? Not an absolute answer. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
