In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:44:10 -0800 (PST): Hi Jones, [snip] >Yes, it is nothing new - Mills did this in 1990 rather emphatically - and even >then it was not new, but Robin - you seem to be downplaying your own >contribution. > >Does not a 'screw-like' motion mesh with a Lissajous? or are you backing off >of >that?
No. I guess it depends on how you define "screw like". The Lissajous model at it's simplest depends on an oscillation and a rotation, whereas a "screw like" motion depends on two rotations for a closed form (creating a toroid), or one rotation for an open form (i.e. straight line travel). (A rotation may be seen as two perpendicular oscillations). Even so, I still don't see how the screw like motion is used to derive the electron speed, which can be calculated quite adequately without it. > >Seems like there is a connection, but maybe not. > > > > > >________________________________ >From: "mix...@bigpond.com" > >In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Wed, 21 Dec 2011 22:30:49 -0900: >Hi Horace, > >You probably did. I also pointed it out to Frank himself a couple of years >back. >The calculation of the electron speed is nothing new. It's also in the Hydrino >calculations on my web site. However I still haven't seen anyone show the >connection between that speed and screw like motion. > >>Robin, >> >>I think I pointed out a similar relation a while back. My memory is >>not very good though. It had to do with the speed of thermal pulses >>though very fine metal whiskers. Heat pulses were measured at the >>mean speed of the conduction band electrons, which is about 2x10^6 m/ >>s, which is about twice Frank's constant. I never did find that >>article though. >> >> >>On Dec 21, 2011, at 4:54 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: >> >>> In reply to Mark Iverson's message of Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:34:04 >>> -0800: >>> Hi, >>> >>> alpha*c is the speed you get for the electron in a Bohr orbit, >>> utilizing the De >>> Broglie wavelength. What is not apparent from the snippet quoted is >>> why this >>> velocity follows from a "screw type of motion". >>> >>>> Might I suggest all Not Off Topic (i.e., technical, aka, signal) >>>> postings use NOT in the subject line to make them more obvious to >>>> those who care not to waste bandwidth on the personal aspects of >>>> the Rossi saga >>>> >>>> In my latest session of serendipitous surfing, I was scanning a >>>> PDF of the document in the Ref: section below, and noticed this >>>> little bit of text and the accompanying calculation: >>>> ============================== >>>> This screw type of motion obviously is optional and let us >>>> suppose that it corresponds to the electron motion in Bohr atom at >>>> orbit a0 with energy of 13.6 eV. Then the axial velocity is: >>>> >>>> v = (e^2) / ( 2*h*epsilon_sub_0 ) >>>> = alpha*c >>>> = 2.18769e6 m/s (3) >>>> >>>> where: >>>> e = charge of electron, >>>> h = Planck constant, >>>> c = speed of light, >>>> alpha = fine structure constant >>>> ============================== >>>> >>>> Now what struck me was the result, 2.188e6 m/s. >>>> This is exactly twice the constant in Znidarsics work, 1.094e6 Hz.m >>>> Any connection? >>>> >>>> Frank, does this make sense to you? >>>> >>>> -Mark >>>> >>>> Ref: >>>> Theoretical Feasibility of Cold Fusion According to the BSM - >>>> Supergravitation Unified Theory >>>> Stoyan Sarg Sargoytchev >>>> York University, Toronto, Canada >>>> E-mail: stoy...@yorku.ca >>>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Robin van Spaandonk >>> >>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html >>> >> >>Best regards, >> >>Horace Heffner >>http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ >> >> >> >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk > >http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
