I think you missed the point.
The first sentence is equally a jumble of letters as the second. But what
makes the first different. It is because it contains Information assigned to
its specific arrangement. And where did this information get its "meaning".
Isn't it from the same Intelligent Beings who assigned meaning to that specific
arrangement? The same Intelligent Beings who came up with the syntactic,
semantic and grammtical constraints and rules.
And what is the difference between your 2 year old from your 9 year old. Isn't
it that the latter has more "Intelligence"?
My point is, there are patterns we can see and we can immediately perceive that
it contains information and hence an Intelligent being was behind it. When we
look at our DNA coding, it is clear that the arrangement is not just random.
It was arranged specifically to contain Information, that will code for genes,
proteins, etc. When we look at such a pattern, there can only be one logical
conclusion. There is an Intelligent Designer behind that pattern. That is all
the concept of Intelligent Design is saying. It says nothing about a Christian
God.
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: Chemical Engineer
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR)
Jojo,
I thought scrabble was a word game not a sentence game as there are no spaces.
You say the chances are aqual for the tiles results. I would think the
chances of the tiles coming up with a non grammatically correct jumble of
letters would be much higher than meeting all the constraints of our chosen
english language since there are a limited number of results that meet that
criteria using your available letters.
Also, my 9 year old, with the same DNA at age 2 would most likely arrange
nonsense while at 9 probably something closer to your proof of intelligent
design.
BTW I do not have a strong enough belief in either theory.
On Sunday, May 27, 2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
OH my! What is your major malfunction? Are you experiencing major
cognitive dissonance? The Darwinian Evolution Religion you've pledge yourself
to is not as factual as you thought it was? Did I just hit a central nerve?
I thought we were discussing with civility? I guess I just pissed you off too
much with facts and logic.
OK. Whatever.
Jojo
PS. Folks, if James' response does not illutrate my point enough, nothing
will. Darwinian Evolution is a religion to its adherents. When someone brings
up a good point of logic, they experience major cognitive dissonance and react
like this.
Parks experiences this everytime someone brings up evidence for Cold
Fusion. Darwinists experience this when they can not answer a valid criticism
of its Darwinian religion.
The parallel has been clearly illustrated. My point is proven.
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bowery
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR)
OK, so you don't think you need an experiment.
Go fuck yourself.
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am unsure about your point or what you are asking.
What exactly is your discussion point or what exactly is your question?
Of course,there are strong inference. For example, if you find the
presence of Information in DNA, that is an inference for Intelligent Designer,
not Darwinian Evolution based on randon chance mutations. Random processes
never create Information, because information is "Order", the exact opposite of
Randomness.
For instance, the assembling of random letters into a coherent sentence
requires the input of an Intelligent being. If your throw a bunch of Scrabble
letters on the ground, the following 2 sentences have equal chance of occuring.
"There is a God"
"ethresi da Go" - (No, this is not a foreign language. This
is a random mixture of the same letters above.)
What is the difference between the 2 sentences above. Nothing as far
as randon chance is concerned. Yet for an Intelligent Entity, there is a huge
difference. What differentiates the 2 sentences? It is Information of course.
There is information in the first sentence that conveys an idea? And Ideas
are the purvue of Intelligent Beings.
Now, do this with 4 letters and create a sentence 600,000 letters long;
you might begin to understand the complexity and the remarkable presence of
Information in our DNA.
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bowery
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR)
No. I'm talking about the scientific technique of strong inference.
In strong inference you are not simply testing a hypothesis. You are
admitting multiple hypotheses in the formulation of your experiments and
attempting to most economically compare them. It is legitimate, of course, to
have any number of experiments to achieve this comparison.
In this case, there are two hypotheses: Darwinian Evolution and
Intelligent Design.
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:27 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
