We know that wings on airplanes work, and wheels on cars also work, why do you want to build a new aircraft without wings and a new car without wheels?
We know how LENR works well and why reinvent it with a new unproven technology?. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>wrote: > Nobody has replicated what Rossi has done and he doesn't share what he > does. > > Frankly, that's what's really useless here. > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> A LENR reaction that produces gammas is useless because of the NRC >> roadblock. >> >> Rossi bent over backward to rid his system of gammas and for good reasons. >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Blaze Spinnaker < >> blazespinna...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> If it generates gamma and its replicated you don't think that's an >>> interesting contribution to science? >>> >>> I think if something strange and unexpected is happening (at least to >>> the wide world of science) even if it is orthogonal to your purpose, I >>> think it makes sense to follow where it leads. >>> >>> Quite a few great discoveries in science happened that way. >>> >>> Anyways, frankly, they need to be more careful about radiation >>> regardless. Hate to see these really great guys hurt themselves, even >>> accidentally. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> IMHO, working on the F&P cell and the Pd/D reaction is misguided and >>>> counterproductive. >>>> >>>> If we cannot convince nuclear engineers that a Ni/H reactor in a third >>>> party test works, a F&P cell has nor hope of doing so. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Blaze Spinnaker < >>>> blazespinna...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "The production of gamma radiation is a sure sign that the LENR >>>>> reaction is failing, in the same way that smoke is an indicator of a >>>>> failing wood fire reaction. >>>>> >>>>> A hot and vigorous wood fire is smokeless." >>>>> >>>>> Your analogy is great cause being able to generate smoke is usually >>>>> what you generally learn to do before you generate fire. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "These LENR workers are misguided. " >>>>> >>>>> Your ad hominem not so great. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> These LENR workers are misguided. These guys want an indicator based >>>>>> on nuclear engineering to prove that LENR is occurring to these nuclear >>>>>> people. This is a misinformed opinion and uneducated. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The production of gamma radiation is a sure sign that the LENR >>>>>> reaction is failing, in the same way that smoke is an indicator of a >>>>>> failing wood fire reaction. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> A hot and vigorous wood fire is smokeless. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In the same way, a hot and vigorous LENR reaction is one without any >>>>>> gammas. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In the third party test of Rossi reactor during reactor meltdown, no >>>>>> gammas were detected. The take away, a vigorous LENR reaction produces no >>>>>> gammas. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Blaze Spinnaker < >>>>>> blazespinna...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well no, they have detected gamma rays, but perhaps not yet >>>>>>> definitively. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From FB: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gamma - the smoking gun of LENR? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://youtu.be/ehvRxMYczK8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We have seen repeatable bursts of gamma during re-gassing of the EU >>>>>>> cells over the last 2 months and we are preparing a highly sensitive >>>>>>> Thallium doped Sodium Iodide detector NaI(Tl) and a spectrometer to >>>>>>> follow >>>>>>> the evidence. If we can see specific non-background gamma energies, >>>>>>> repeatably that maybe even correlate to excess heat, then it will be a >>>>>>> very >>>>>>> significant find. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The next few months may, in retrospect, make this one of the most >>>>>>> important blog posts in our short history. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Read the blog post and see more videos here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/follow/follow-2/347-gamma >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 5:30 PM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The title of the FR post is (annoyingly) misleading. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The MFMP team is saying that they are excited about putting a more >>>>>>>> sensitive gamma ray detector into operation -- not that it has, as of >>>>>>>> now, >>>>>>>> detected unambiguous gamma rays. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR >>>>>>>>> experiment*<http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/3088346/posts> >>>>>>>>> *Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project ^ >>>>>>>>> <http://www.freerepublic.com/%5Ehttp://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/follow/follow-2/347-gamma> >>>>>>>>> * | 06 November 2013. | Robert Greenyer >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *"Well, to put it plain and simple - it would mean that we have a >>>>>>>>> incontrovertible demonstration of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions >>>>>>>>> (LENR)."* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.freerepublic.com/%7Ekevmo/> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gamma >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> on 06 November 2013. The smoking gun of LENR? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On January the 14th 2011, Rossi and Focardi gave the first public >>>>>>>>> demonstration of the low temperature E-Cat to a personally invited >>>>>>>>> group. A >>>>>>>>> short time afterwards, Francesco Celani, who was present at the >>>>>>>>> demonstration, sent a review for the event to New Energy Times. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Francesco Celani record of first public E-Cat demonstration in New >>>>>>>>> Energy Times >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In this article, it is noted that Rossi and Focardi had a twin >>>>>>>>> gamma ray detector set up in order to detect e+e- annihilation that >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> expected by Focardi based on previous experiments. The results from >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> set up were not meaningful during the guests time in the room. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bob Greenyer was keen to understand more about this event, so in >>>>>>>>> the day following ICCF-18, he quizzed Francesco on the matter. Here >>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>> fresh account of that event. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Francesco was sitting down with other scientists and guests >>>>>>>>> waiting to be called in for the demonstration, they were 7 – 8m away >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> E-Cat which was behind a door in another room. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Francesco had 2 gamma detectors with him, 1 very cheap and 1 very >>>>>>>>> expensive battery operated 1.25” NaI(TI) detection range of 25keV to >>>>>>>>> 2000 >>>>>>>>> keV. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> He notes that the background in Frascatti is normally around 120 >>>>>>>>> because of local geology, but in Bologna it is 60, Francesco Celani >>>>>>>>> set the >>>>>>>>> detectors accordingly and the assembled group sat there patiently >>>>>>>>> waiting. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Suddenly and for about 1 second, both detectors topped out 1000+ >>>>>>>>> counts PER SECOND and sounded their alarms (they could not show any >>>>>>>>> more). >>>>>>>>> Several of the invited observers considered literally running from the >>>>>>>>> building as it was speculated that Rossi might be leveraging a >>>>>>>>> radioactive >>>>>>>>> source in his experiment. Why such concern? Well, radiation falls off >>>>>>>>> according to Newtons 1/d^2 law as you can see here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Plugging the minimum 1000 counts per second and 8 meters into the >>>>>>>>> formula would mean that 50cm from the E-Cat, the counts would be over >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> quarter million per second - not good! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> However, luckily the momentary signal collapsed and about two >>>>>>>>> minutes later, Rossi came into the waiting room to invite people in >>>>>>>>> to see >>>>>>>>> the E-cat saying “the reaction has started”. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Francesco and the rest of the invited guests then went into the >>>>>>>>> room where the E-Cat was. Whilst in that room and using the NaI(TI) >>>>>>>>> near >>>>>>>>> the operating reactor, there was a 50-100% count increase over >>>>>>>>> background >>>>>>>>> which was erratic. Francesco decided to try and get a spectra from the >>>>>>>>> detector, in order to understand what might be going on and so he >>>>>>>>> switched >>>>>>>>> mode on the detector. Rossi however saw what he was doing, got upset >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> Celani was told to stop the measurements, which he did. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In addition, Celani said that he noted a number of gas cylinders >>>>>>>>> in the room – but that it would only be speculation to say what they >>>>>>>>> were. >>>>>>>>> If E-Cats do indeed produce high gamma busts prepping for 'switch on' >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> elevated emissions during operation, that might explain challenges in >>>>>>>>> getting domestic certification and the determination to keep below a >>>>>>>>> fixed >>>>>>>>> cop and using staged cascades of small to big E-Cats to create larger >>>>>>>>> effective COPs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Whatever happened that day, Francesco Celani started investigating >>>>>>>>> surface modified transition metals with hydrogen the following month. >>>>>>>>> Inverse Square Law >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To help understand the inverse square law we made this little >>>>>>>>> video. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Comparing the 1100 counts per minute at 2 cm from source in that >>>>>>>>> video to being 8m away, gives around 0.007 counts per minute - i.e. >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> meaningful contribution to the 25 or so background. Hopefully this >>>>>>>>> gives a >>>>>>>>> sense of why there was such excitement at the momentary signal in >>>>>>>>> January >>>>>>>>> 14, 2011. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Celani >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> After the end of ICCF-18 conference dinner, Bob found himself in a >>>>>>>>> conversation opposite Francesco Celani and a prominent government >>>>>>>>> funded >>>>>>>>> scientist. Celani was told essentially that the levels of excess >>>>>>>>> reported >>>>>>>>> were basically not significant enough to avoid being dismissed and >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> what was needed as solid evidence of LENR was either transmutation or >>>>>>>>> particle/ray emission. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Francesco then said, that when he was testing his wire with >>>>>>>>> Deuterium, he got gamma emissions, the scientist asked if it was >>>>>>>>> explored >>>>>>>>> but Celani said no because he was looking for excess heat and >>>>>>>>> actually, >>>>>>>>> that experiment just produced a clear negative result. Martin >>>>>>>>> Fleischmann >>>>>>>>> Memorial Project (MFMP) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For the MFMP, this year has largely been about differential >>>>>>>>> experiments, first the Steel and Glass, then the US dual cells and >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> recently, the calibrated dual Celani cells in France. In this latter >>>>>>>>> experiment, the first of the active wires completed loading and moved >>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>> apparent excess heat after around six days and stayed firmly positive >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> favour of the active cell for more than 30 days. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> EU dual differential cells >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At one point, before the powering of the second wire, the active >>>>>>>>> cell input power was reduced by around 2.5W. The differential dropped >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> zero, indicating that it took 2.5 more watts to raise the passive >>>>>>>>> cell to >>>>>>>>> the same average external temperature. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rough calculation assuming that only the actively powered wire is >>>>>>>>> producing apparent excess - which given that the 280L looked like it >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> still loading, was a fair assumption. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (2.5W / 42.5W) * 100 = 5.9% apparent excess, this is in line with >>>>>>>>> other experiments we have performed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2.5W *(1 / 0.275g [approximate weight of wire]) = 9.1W/g >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Celani says the wires he is supplying us should show excess of >>>>>>>>> between 5W/g and 50W/g. This is in that range. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Putting this in context, in theory 1kg of this wire would yield >>>>>>>>> approximately 910W. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But that is not what got us excited! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The experiment had an annoying leak in the control cell and since >>>>>>>>> the cells were bridged by a small pipe for pressure equalisation, >>>>>>>>> Mathieu >>>>>>>>> found he had to re-fill the cells every 48 hours or so. This leak was >>>>>>>>> a bug >>>>>>>>> he wanted to fix, and indeed, he made the replacement flange, but >>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>> the cells were producing good data, he stopped short of actually >>>>>>>>> doing the >>>>>>>>> repair. That might be a very important decision! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Adjacent to the cells he had placed an unshielded geiger counter >>>>>>>>> that normally registered around 22 counts per minute dropping to 12 >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> rising to around 30. In September 2013, he noticed that each time he >>>>>>>>> refilled the cells, shortly afterwards, the counts leapt up to around >>>>>>>>> 60-90. He waited for the same process to repeat a few times before >>>>>>>>> informing the team. With the above knowledge about previous events – >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> team started to appeal for a NaI(Tl) and related equipment around the >>>>>>>>> end >>>>>>>>> of September. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To our great delight, Jean-Paul Biberian supplied an old, but >>>>>>>>> rather excellent, LARGE, Thallium doped Sodium Iodide detector/photon >>>>>>>>> multiplier - NaI (Tl). The downside was that the associated >>>>>>>>> electronics for >>>>>>>>> driving it and analysing the spectrum of gamma energies was broken >>>>>>>>> and not >>>>>>>>> practical to replace. What to do? Normally this kind of hardware is >>>>>>>>> expensive and we just did not have the funds... we were starting to >>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>> the pain of many a scientist the world over, great potential >>>>>>>>> experiment, >>>>>>>>> nearly there, but no way of seeing it through. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To be fair, Mathieu had found a detector driver and spectrometry >>>>>>>>> solution that might be affordable, called Gamma Spectacular, they >>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>> just have got a solution for us. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gamma Spectacular website >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Then, as if by magic, Marissa Little from Earthtech, Texas >>>>>>>>> contacted us and introduced that they were starting to re-visit LENR >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> had become aware of our work and was there any way to help us or work >>>>>>>>> together. Well, we let them know just what was going on and said that >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> most important thing they could help us with right now was to help us >>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>> some way to drive our NaI detector. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Earthtech website >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Working with the extremely knowledgeable Steven Sesselmann from >>>>>>>>> Gamma Spectacular and Marissa, and a good deal of images over a few >>>>>>>>> weeks, >>>>>>>>> we came up with a solution, which, amazingly Earthtech offered to >>>>>>>>> purchase, >>>>>>>>> which they did 30/10/2013. We are very appreciative of this >>>>>>>>> generosity, we >>>>>>>>> hope that we can make use of everything together in the week starting >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> 11/11/2013. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First we had to see how many M Ohms the detector was, we needed >>>>>>>>> over 15 and we got 2! - you can see us doing this in these images:- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We also discovered it had a ‘C’ type High Tension connection and a >>>>>>>>> BNC signal out and gain potentiometer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> in modern detectors, Safe High Voltage (SHV) connectors are used >>>>>>>>> in place of the ‘C’ type connectors, we did not need the gain >>>>>>>>> adjustment >>>>>>>>> and the resistance was way too low, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it was decided by all parties that it would be best to replace the >>>>>>>>> whole internal electronics so that they would play nice with the >>>>>>>>> GS2000 >>>>>>>>> Pro, so Mathieu prepared the detector for when we would receive the >>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>> internals. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Defkalion >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In Defkalion’s latest paper with Dr Yeong E. Kim, they have this >>>>>>>>> to say about their observation on gammas. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3.2 Radiation measurements >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As shown in Fig. 4, no gamma rays outside the energy range of 50 >>>>>>>>> keV–300 keV have been observed from the experiments with the Hyperion >>>>>>>>> R-5 >>>>>>>>> reactor (data are from iso-parabolic calorimeter experiment carried >>>>>>>>> out on >>>>>>>>> May 6, 2013). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The original paper can be found here Celani - again >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So we wanted to experiment to see if we could re-create what >>>>>>>>> Mathieu had seen. Mathieu had become less committed to the events as >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> experiment went on as it did not appear that they were occurring at >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> higher temperatures with both wires functioning. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regardless, we therefore called Francesco Celani this week (first >>>>>>>>> on Tue 29/10/2013), a good number of times, about his comments at >>>>>>>>> ICCF-18 >>>>>>>>> and he provided additional information. Essentially, the wire had >>>>>>>>> previously been loaded with H2 and he had attempted to deload it by >>>>>>>>> applying power under vacuum. He then filled the cell with Deuterium >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> started to raise the temperature. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At first there was nothing, but as the mean internal temperature >>>>>>>>> went over around 100ºC, there started to be a near doubling of the >>>>>>>>> background gamma count. They were alarmed, but even though >>>>>>>>> significant, it >>>>>>>>> was not at a level to be of great concern. This continued until the >>>>>>>>> cell >>>>>>>>> internal mean temperature passed through around 160ºC whereafter >>>>>>>>> there was >>>>>>>>> no significant signal. For about 10 minutes, during this raising >>>>>>>>> temperature period, there was the increased gammas and then nothing. >>>>>>>>> Other >>>>>>>>> than Francesco, there were two observers in the room that witnessed >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> event. As said before, the Deuterium experiment did not seem to >>>>>>>>> produce >>>>>>>>> excess and so was not pursued. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From his paper: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 23.) We observed, for the first time in our experimentation with >>>>>>>>> such kind of materials, some X (and/or gamma emission), coming-out >>>>>>>>> from the >>>>>>>>> reactor during the increasing of the temperature from about 100°C to >>>>>>>>> 160°C. >>>>>>>>> We used a NaI(Tl) detector, energy range 25-2000keV used as counter >>>>>>>>> (safety >>>>>>>>> purposes), not spectrometer. Total time of such emission was about >>>>>>>>> 600s and >>>>>>>>> clearly detectable, burst like. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 24.) About thermal anomalies, we observed, very surprising, that >>>>>>>>> the response was endothermic, not esothermic. The second day the >>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>> crossed the zero line and later become clearly eso-thermic. Similar >>>>>>>>> effects >>>>>>>>> were reported also by A. Takahashi and A. Kitamura. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 25.) After about 350000s from the beginning of D2 intake the >>>>>>>>> temperature abruptly increased and the wire was broken. We observed >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> the pressure decreased, because some problems to the reactor gas >>>>>>>>> tight, but >>>>>>>>> at times of 80000s before. The SEM observations showed fusion of a >>>>>>>>> large >>>>>>>>> piece of wire. The shape was like a ball. Further analyses are in >>>>>>>>> progress. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It occurred to us that this temperature dependence, having been >>>>>>>>> pointed to it, may be very significant. Mathieu had already seen no >>>>>>>>> extra >>>>>>>>> gammas at higher temperature - could this explain that? Initial >>>>>>>>> experiment >>>>>>>>> to verify gamma emissions >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Despite Mathieu fearing that the wires were toasted (the cells had >>>>>>>>> been running at 70W for some days and were not producing as much >>>>>>>>> excess as >>>>>>>>> before), we decided to take the wires down to around 150ºC and try to >>>>>>>>> recreate what was apparently happening previously and capture it on >>>>>>>>> camera. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not amazingly conclusive, but the background was around 12-28 and >>>>>>>>> the gamma pulse shortly after the recharge pushed the PER MINUTE >>>>>>>>> average to >>>>>>>>> 40+, meaning a much higher per second pulse. We are looking forward to >>>>>>>>> having the ability to have much more sensitive equipment that can >>>>>>>>> give per >>>>>>>>> second readings and a gamma spectra also. Lead well >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Because the NaI will be SO much more sensitive than the geiger >>>>>>>>> counter - we will need to shield it in 5cm of lead on all sides >>>>>>>>> except the >>>>>>>>> one that will face the reactor. Maybe make it from 2 concentric >>>>>>>>> cylinders >>>>>>>>> filled with lead… however, we need the lead. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Has anyone in France got a load of Lead they could drive over to >>>>>>>>> Mathieu with? If they have, who fancies casting a bit of lead >>>>>>>>> shielding? >>>>>>>>> Possibilities to explore Is it really happening? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We need to measure it repeatedly and with a better resolution. We >>>>>>>>> will strive to measure with a Geiger-Muller counter in more controlled >>>>>>>>> conditions, possibly lead shielding, and with more sensitive NaI >>>>>>>>> detectors. >>>>>>>>> We will try to look for total count rates and also the gamma spectrum >>>>>>>>> measurement. Finally, we will try to make a new apparatus that brings >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> higher density of wire nearer to the detector. If it is happening, >>>>>>>>> what is >>>>>>>>> it related to? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is it being caused by pressure shock? - Test at various pressure >>>>>>>>> levels and step sizes. Pre-heat incoming gas to same temp as gas in >>>>>>>>> cell so >>>>>>>>> as to remove thermal shock. Thermal shock from the cool incoming gas? >>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>> Test with some other cool gas like Helium. Try chilling the incoming >>>>>>>>> gas >>>>>>>>> more. Hydrogen flux into the wire? - Does a slow pressure rise work >>>>>>>>> almost >>>>>>>>> as well as a rapid one? Fresh deuterium in new gas? - Add a little >>>>>>>>> supplemental Deuterium and see if the gamma signal gets higher. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The EU team can explore: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lower temps and pressures to a few bars. Test with Helium to see >>>>>>>>> if it is a cool gas thing He has more wires on the way to try it >>>>>>>>> again, if >>>>>>>>> necessary, as the September/October experiment wires are not so active >>>>>>>>> after being run at 70W The huge NaI(Tl) detector and electronics >>>>>>>>> en-route >>>>>>>>> will allow for much better >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The US team can explore: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Putting our Geiger counter and NaI gamma detector near our V1.3 >>>>>>>>> cell and try adding gas. We currently have two loaded wires in the >>>>>>>>> active >>>>>>>>> cell to work with. Try adding Deuterium in small amounts. We >>>>>>>>> currently have >>>>>>>>> some heavy water and an electrolysis unit to make some gas. New cell >>>>>>>>> at HUG >>>>>>>>> to test this - Replicate our heavy duty aluminum cell that we have a >>>>>>>>> camera >>>>>>>>> on, but with a full size glass window on the end so we can put it >>>>>>>>> directly >>>>>>>>> up against the Ortech NaI detector face. Inside this cell, we put >>>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>>> pieces of wires wrapped around mica frames, and then we can stack >>>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>>> of those frames all within 5 cm, or so, of the face of the NaI >>>>>>>>> detector. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What is the significance? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So why should we be excited at the prospect of seeing controllable >>>>>>>>> gamma emissions from our experiments? Well, to put it plain and >>>>>>>>> simple - it >>>>>>>>> would mean that we have a incontrovertible demonstration of Low Energy >>>>>>>>> Nuclear Reactions (LENR). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Additionally, knowing the energies of any Gamma emissions would >>>>>>>>> help determine the underlying process and help indicate what power >>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>> achieved by singular events and overall potential yield. Lastly, it >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> help dictate paths for material science, control, stimulation and safe >>>>>>>>> operation that will take the technology forward. Discussion >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the video below, which lasts for around 30 mins, Bob and >>>>>>>>> Mathieu discuss what led up to the decision to follow the evidence >>>>>>>>> and the >>>>>>>>> implications. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
