Hi Mark
I beleive that there are two or three closely connected effects that can
be seen within Jerrys EZ work. The core effect is that water close to a
charged surface has a slightly different structure, one of the
characteristics od this water is that it excludes stuff, small
particles, dye, and even protons, which is why the water slightly
further away is acidic. You are right that this region can be 'pumped'
by IR and will grow as a result, but it will exist even in a system in
total thermal equilibrium. We also know that water at a surface has a
similar property, and I beleive that this is why you get charge
separation associated with rain drops, and I think that this is why a
recent paper appears to have shown that it is water adsorbed on a
surface that is key to the generation of static electricity when you rub
things together
http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/adva/1/2/10.1063/1.3592522
My hunch that it is the water adsorbed onto the surface of the flour
granuals that is key to understanding how the charge separation occurs
in the flour experiment.
Nigel
On 11/03/2014 01:50, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
Hi Nigel,
Perhaps they've made progress in the past 20 years! I did my MS in
the late 80s.
I am familiar with Pollack's work, but didn't they determine that the
energy for this Exclusion Zone (EZ) next to an interface was due to
in-coming photons (i.e., light)??? Not sure if it was IR or UV. I
vaguely remember something said about this because it would have very
significant ramifications for biology (living systems). That EZ
represents a 'battery' which is constantly in a state of charge so
long as there is light... when they cut off the light in their test
system, the EZ began to break down. Am I remembering this right?
Thanks for chiming in!
-Mark
*From:*Nigel Dyer [mailto:l...@thedyers.org.uk]
*Sent:* Monday, March 10, 2014 4:41 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:unknown mechanism generates voltage in the powder
cracks
I think there is a link. I think that one of the simplest
interpretations of Jerry Pollacks work is that in certain
circumstances water holds lightly to its protons, and will loose them
leaving a region of negatively charged (but not alkalie) water. This
can happen with water adsorbed on a surface, and you get static
electricity. It can happen with suspended water droplets, and can
result in negatively charged water droplets leaving charged protons
behind, resulting in large potential differences in clouds. No reason
to expect excess heat in any of this, just different ways of using
work energy to create charge separation.
Nigel
On 10/03/2014 03:02, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
Did my master's thesis under Dr. James Telford, atmospheric
physicist, and expert in cloud microphysics. One of Telford's
areas of interest was cloud electrification, which, at the time,
was still not clearly explained. My thesis redesigned a novel
airborne electric field measuring device which he and Dr. Peter
Wagner had developed. One hypothesis about cloud electrification
had to do with the collision of droplets inside the cloud causing
a transfer of electrical charge, but that was only one of several
hypotheses. When I read the article on the electrification of the
powder, I immediately thought that the mechanism could be related...
-Mark Iverson
*From:*Blaze Spinnaker [mailto:blazespinna...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Sunday, March 09, 2014 7:53 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:unknown mechanism generates voltage in the
powder cracks
Axil, I don't get it. Why not optimize this for power
generation? Find a way to generate cracks in a nano material with
a small amount of electricity. Presumably there is an optimal
material, shape, context in terms of gases present that causes
this, and a better method than just 'shifting a Tupperware container'
This sounds like a revolutionary news article where the main
stream press and a good university (Rutgers) is coming to terms
with the reality something is happening there.
My only question, is that is voltage being reported. What was the
excess thermal heat? Going to email them.
On Saturday, March 8, 2014, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com
<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-26462348
LENR has been talking about this for some time now.
