I would make my best effort at measuring the time domain voltage and current
waveforms across the load pellet. The current can be measured much as Bob was
suggesting, for instance by attaching probes along one of the large copper
electrodes. The voltage should be captured as close as possible to the pellet
unless the drop along the electrodes is proven to be low enough to achieve
adequate accuracy.
Keeping the magnetically induced probe error voltages low is going to be the
major challenge. Once the instantaneous voltage and current waveforms are
captured, the input energy can be determined by an integration of the product
of these functions. I would not be overly surprised to find the voltage and
current waveforms to be complex and cyclic. The integrated product of these
waveforms might be difficult to determine as well.
I would not have confidence in a measurement of the input energy at any
location except within close proximity to the load.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Jojo Iznart <jojoiznar...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 8:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt
If you measure before the input side, you have to minus the base load of the
transformer (its losses). Then you can run the spark and see if your
instruments are sensitive enough to register a fast power spike. Then you have
to integrate the chart to compute energy. I believe this is what BLP did,
hence this technique is open to criticism as erroneous. The only way to
absolutely prove overunity is to close the loop.
Any ideas on how to accurately measure Input Power from the group?
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Cole
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt
I don't know how to measure the input power. We're talking 2-5V and
3000-4000 amps. I'd be scared to hook my oscilloscope up to it. You could
maybe do it on the supply side from the 110AC with a watt meter, but that
would be the power going in to the transformer.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Jojo Iznart <jojoiznar...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave,
A very thin film of water on a piece of wire should not change the
impedance that much. Certainly not explain the clearly more intense light
output. There appears to be something going on here.
Jack, it might help if you measured the temperature and humidity as you are
performing the tests.
The output power can be measured with a small solar panel.
That leaves the input power. Any ideas on how to measure input power?
Other than a watthour meter, I'm out. Although I doubt a common watthour
meter would be sensitive enough. Another option is an oscilloscope on the
electrodes.
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt
Interesting results Jack. Could it be that with copper only the
conductivity of the path is so low that the voltage is nearly shorted out
at the pellet? This excellent short might prevent the voltage from
rising enough thereby keeping the power and energy into the pellet at a
low value.
A water film by contrast has much more impedance than copper and that
will result in a voltage increase and hence more energy being delivered.
What I am describing is related to the concept of matching the source
impedance to get the maximum power from the source. In that case an open
or short will have zero power delivered. You may have a near zero
condition with copper only and a much better power match with the water
film.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Cole <jcol...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 6:39 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt
It was with a tiny piece of copper wire that I dipped in water and put
between the electrodes. The amount of water is minuscule (the amount
that managed to adhere to the metal). You don't get that without the
water.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:13 AM, Jojo Iznart <jojoiznar...@gmail.com> wrote:
was that the spark with or without fuel (water pellets)?
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Cole
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:15 AM
Subject: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt
Hi Folks,
I was excited to receive my spot welder today. After ensuring it was
in working order, I decided to get right to it and see if I could get
anything like what BLP showed. Lo and behold I got something on the
first try.
I remembered Mills talking about all the different possibilities for
types of conductors that they might use in the commercial device, and
copper was one of them. I cut a very small piece of copper wire,
dipped it in water, placed it on the electrodes, hit the switch, and
pop with some bright light!
Here's a link to the vid. Sorry for the bad camera work.
Let me know what you think. I'll do another vid soon in complete
darkness.
http://youtu.be/d6XYqEhwZgA
Jack
