On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 4:21 AM, Tri Budi Lestyaningsih (Ning) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jadi kalau cowok traditional menikah dengan cewek traditional, > penghasilannya $55 ribu. > Cowok egaliter menikah dengan cewek egaliter, pnghasilan totalnya $44 > ribu.
wah saya kok ragu dengan hitung-hitungannya mbak Ning :-) Cowok kolot maunya istri berperan di dapur, sumur dan kasur (dan nyusur :-) jadi jarang yang double-income, makanya kerja lebih giat....... > Hasil survey membuktikan, enakan jadi cowok dan cewek traditional yah ? > Penghasilan lebih mantabb.... sedangkan cowok pro-gender berbagi tugas dengan istrinya, mungkin juga dia yang lebih berperan di dapur, sumur, dan kasur :-) lebih sibuk momong anak, stay-at-home dads, makanya gajinya ngepas mulu :-) namun memberi kesempatan kepada istrinya untuk mengejar karir tapi repot juga cowok liberal, gaji kurang sedang istri tidak bekerja, tinggal di rumah .... anggaran rumah tangga megap-megap :( (bener ngga mas Arcon hehehe) > > Hehehe... bercanda aja.. sama-sama, becanda juga. Tapi topik ini lumayan menarik, barangkali perlu diteruskan setelah lebaran. Saya akan coba cari artikel aslinya, sehingga definisi tradisional dan egaliter bisa lebih jelas dan didiskusikan lebih terarah. wassalam, DWS > > Untuk rekans yang akan cuti, take care, terutama yang mau driving. Plan > some stops during your journey. Kalau ngantuk, berhenti dulu aja.. > > Selamat Iedul Fitri dan Mohon maaf lahir dan batin. > > Wassalaam, > -Ning > > > > ________________________________ > > From: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dwi W. Soegardi > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:36 AM > To: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [wanita-muslimah] Survey: Cowok Egaliter Penghasilan Berkurang > > > > Survey membuktikan laki-laki dengan pandangan tradisional gajinya lebih > mantabb. > Laki-laki yang berpandangan bahwa ada pembagian peran antara gender, di > rumah > dan di tempat kerja, gajinya per tahun hampir $12.000 lebih tinggi > daripada pria egaliter, > yang meyakini kesetaraan gender. > Urutan gaji rata-rata: > - Cowok tradisional $35 ribu > - Cowok egaliter $23 ribu > - Cewek egaliter $21 ribu > - Cewek tradisional $20 ribu > > Hasil survey ini mengejutkan para ilmuwan sosial penelitinya. > Menurut mereka, kemungkinannya: > 1) cowok tradisional lebih "ngotot" menuntut gaji yang lebih tinggi > 2) pengusaha mendiskriminasi pegawainya yang tidak berpandangan > tradisional. > > silakan menyimak berikut ini. > > salam, > DWS > > -------------------------------- > Method and Results: > The study, published in the September issue of the Journal of Applied > Psychology, is based on longitudinal information collected by a > federal government survey administered every two years to more than > 12,000 people over a quarter-century. The U.S. Department of Labor's > National Longitudinal Survey of Youth began tracking people in 1979 > when they were between 14 and 22 years old. The group is now between > 43 and 51 years old. > > Since many participants in the survey were children when it started, > incomes for both men and women changed dramatically over the 25 years > studied. Averaged over the quarter-century, salaries ranged from > $34,725 for working men with traditional attitudes to $20,321 for > working women with traditional attitudes. Working men with egalitarian > attitudes made $22,795 on average, while working women with > egalitarian attitudes made $21,373. > > Since many participants in the survey were children when it started, > incomes for both men and women changed dramatically over the 25 years > studied. Averaged over the quarter-century, salaries ranged from > $34,725 for working men with traditional attitudes to $20,321 for > working women with traditional attitudes. Working men with egalitarian > attitudes made $22,795 on average, while working women with > egalitarian attitudes made $21,373. > THE WASHINGTON POST > --------------------- > > http://www.newsobserver.com/nation_world/story/1227534.html > <http://www.newsobserver.com/nation_world/story/1227534.html> > > Egalitarian men earn a lot less > Research indicates a wide pay gap, favoring men who have traditional > views of sex roles > Shankar Vedantam, The Washington Post Comment on this story > WASHINGTON - Men with egalitarian attitudes about the role of women in > society earn significantly less on average than men who hold more > traditional views about women's place in the world, according to a > study being reported today. > > It is the first time social scientists have produced evidence that > large numbers of men may be victims of gender-related income > disparities. The study raises the provocative possibility that a > substantial part of the widely discussed gap in income between men and > women who do the same work is really a gap between men with a > traditional outlook and everyone else -- rather than a gap between men > and women per se. > > The differences found in the study were substantial. Men with > traditional attitudes about gender roles earned $11,930 more a year > than men with egalitarian views, and $14,404 more than women with > traditional attitudes. The comparisons were based on men and women > working in the same kinds of jobs with the same levels of education > and putting in the same number of hours per week. > > While men with a traditional outlook earned the most, women with a > traditional outlook earned the least. The wage gap between working men > and women with a traditional attitude was more than 10 times larger > than the wage gap between men and women with egalitarian views. > > If you divide workers into four groups -- men with traditional > attitudes, men with egalitarian attitudes, women with traditional > attitudes and women with egalitarian attitudes -- men with traditional > attitudes earn far more for the same work than those in any of the > other groups. There are small disparities among the three > disadvantaged groups, but the bulk of the income disparity is between > the first group and the rest. > > "When we think of the gender wage gap, most of our focus goes to the > women side of things," said Beth Livingston, a co-author of the new > study. "This article says a lot of the difference may be in men's > salaries." > > Similar jobs, hours > > Livingston said she was taken aback by the result. > > "We actually thought maybe men with traditional attitudes work in more > complex jobs that pay more or select into higher-paying occupations," > she said. "Regardless of the jobs people chose, or how long they > worked at them, there was still a significant effect of gender role > attitudes on income." > > The study offers an unusual window into the persistent gender > disparities in income that have been observed for decades. Critics of > the gender-gap theory regularly suggest that the gap between men and > women is an artifact of the career choices that men and women make, or > the different hours that men and women work -- arguing that more men > choose higher-paying professions such as law and business and more > women choose lower-paying professions such as education and social > work, and that men tend to work longer hours than women. > > Researchers said all the conclusions in the new study were based on > comparisons between people in similar jobs, working similar hours, > with similar qualifications. > > The empirical evidence in the study showed that there is a connection > between people's attitudes about gender roles and their salaries. It > was not designed to explain why those disparities come about, or how > people's attitudes -- supposedly a private matter -- affect how much > money they make. > > Livingston and co-author Timothy Judge said there are two possible > explanations: Traditional-minded men may negotiate much harder for > better salaries, especially when compared to traditional-minded women. > Alternatively, it could also be that employers discriminate against > both women and men who do not subscribe to traditional gender roles. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > ======================= > Milis Wanita Muslimah > Membangun citra wanita muslimah dalam diri, keluarga, maupun masyarakat. > Situs Web: http://www.wanita-muslimah.com > ARSIP DISKUSI : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wanita-muslimah/messages > Kirim Posting mailto:wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com > Berhenti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Milis Keluarga Sejahtera mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Milis Anak Muda Islam mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > This mailing list has a special spell casted to reject any attachment > ....Yahoo! 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