Feature request: 1) Better selecting of namespaces 2) API output for pagesgenerator in pywikibot 3) do not display subpages on template, project and portal namespace (or option to hide (*/*) pages)
JAnD 2015-04-30 8:07 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: > Hoi Romaine, > Great news :) > > I would personally love it when the Dutch Wikipedians look after their > dead. It does not get my eye and I think it is important to know at least > about the recently dearly departed. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 30 April 2015 at 01:07, Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Lydia, >> >> The Dutch community (on the Dutch Wikipedia) had a voting in which was >> decided to get rid of all the interwikis on articles, categories, >> templates, project pages and help pages. The moving or removal of all >> interwikis has been completed a few days ago, with what we have tried to >> fix all the interwiki conflicts we found. We also have an active abuse >> filter that prevents users to add local interwikis to these pages. >> Instead we actively communicate in person to every user that creates a >> new article which has not been added to Wikidata. We aim for that every >> article is added to Wikidata with a label in Dutch and at least the >> property *instance of*. And for many subjects multiple statements. >> >> With actively communicating to users that they should add their new >> article to Wikidata, the most heard reaction is that they did not know that >> it is good to have it added to Wikidata. The second most heard issue we >> hear is that they find it difficult to add articles to Wikidata (including >> adding statements). >> >> For those users who were in the past used to add interwikis are now >> actively adding their articles to existing Wikidata items. This special >> page we use to found out which articles have been forgotten to add to >> (existing) items on Wikidata. I have a templated message that notes those >> users if they forgot to add their article to an existing item and reminds >> them that such is needed. >> For users who are writing articles about typical Dutch subjects which are >> not expected to have an article in another language Wikipedia, it is new >> and I have a templated message that informs them why it is needed to create >> an item on Wikidata, tells them how to, and asks them to add some >> statements. We use the special page UnconnectedPages to see which articles >> have not been added yet to Wikidata. >> >> Another group of pages we try to find with this special page are the ones >> that have been removed from an item without being added to an item. >> >> The special pages makes it possible for me to just select with my mouse >> the list and then compare it in Autowikibrowser (still a pity we can't use >> AWB for items on Wikidata) to have see which of the unconnected pages is in >> which category, or which template, so we can groupewise add them to >> Wikidata. >> >> >> >> So to conclude, this special page is essential for our work to get all >> the Wikipedia articles to Wikidata. >> The adding, by the way, we like to to do by hand so that we can at least >> add some basic statements depending on the subject. Sometimes it is >> possible to use a tool to create items and add statements to a group of >> articles, but most of them are done by hand. (If it is done by bot/tool we >> get like 1000 items with only p17=q55, and that is as bad as nothing.) To >> do it by hand we make sure the most basic properties are added. >> >> >> The biggest issue we face with using is that the page is not real time >> updated, and that pages that already are added to Wikidata are still in the >> list. We then have to do a nulledit on the article to get them removed from >> the list. Another delay are the articles that were removed from an item do >> not show up directly. (Was it removed correctly from that item or was it an >> error or vandalism? It requires a lot of searching to find that out, if it >> is found.) >> >> >> Another subject we have, but we can work around it by just ignoring them, >> are those articles that are newly created and nominated for deletion as non >> encyclopaedic or too worse written to be kept. They are nominated for >> deletion. The procedure for this kind of articles is that they have a >> template on them which says they are nominated, and after 2 weeks an admin >> looks at them and judges if they should be kept, deleted or the nomination >> period is extended to give extra time to the writers/users to fix the >> issues. During this period of two weeks the article is on the special page >> of unconnected pages, of which a part is expected to be deleted. During >> these two weeks the articles nominated for deletion are making the special >> page a bit clumsy. (Maybe it is an idea to have magic word added to the >> deletion templates so that the articles that are nominated for deletion and >> not connected on Wikidata, show up at the bottom of the articles. I think >> those articles nominated for deletion should be on the special page, >> because I can imagine users would accidental add such magic word to the >> article and a magic word that would prevent being shown on the list is >> risky for abuse/mistakes. However, as most users start at the top of the >> special page, the pages nominated for deletion clutter on top of the >> special page as they are ignored.) >> >> >> In the current special page besides articles (ns:0) also other >> namespaces are shown: Wikipedia, Templates, help pages, categories, portal >> pages, modules. >> The problem with many pages in those sections are subpages. Examples: >> archive pages of discussion pages, /doc pages of templates, archive pages >> of our helpdesk, and subpages of portals are not needed to be added to >> Wikidata. >> With categories have another issue: categories of an individual user, >> those should like user pages not be added to Wikidata. >> >> I would recommend to have users see by default only articles (ns:0), but >> with a menu on top of this special page in what users can select the >> namespace they want to see, or the option all namespaces. (Like the recent >> changes have such option.) >> >> >> I hope this gives some insight in how we use this special page. I am >> interested in what kind of changes you have in mind, and I hope we can >> still use the special page as we now do. Certainly as we do not have an >> real time alternative for it. >> >> If there are any questions, just let me know. >> >> >> Greetings, >> Romaine >> >> >> >> >> >> 2015-04-29 17:36 GMT+02:00 Lydia Pintscher <lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> >> : >> >>> Hey folks :) >>> >>> We've been looking into performance issues of the special page >>> Special:UnconnectedPages (like >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UnconnectedPages for example). >>> There are a few improvements we can make to make it work better. >>> However to evaluate if we can make those changes or not I need to know >>> what you are currently using this page for exactly. >>> So if you're using it it'd be great if you could tell me how you're >>> using it currently to achieve what exactly. >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> Lydia >>> >>> -- >>> Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher >>> Product Manager for Wikidata >>> >>> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. >>> Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 >>> 10963 Berlin >>> www.wikimedia.de >>> >>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. 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