An official name in an alphabet I don't understand does not give me any useful information, not even an idea of how it is said.
It may be the only information we have for sur of some item. I say it's a good idea to give the official name in the original language together with a transliteration in the user language. I don't understand how it could be a bad idea. 2015-05-01 7:14 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: > Hoi, > It is still a bad idea. An official name exists only in one language. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 30 April 2015 at 18:50, Thomas Douillard <thomas.douill...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I meant "add automatically the transliteration", not replace the name. >> >> This is a good candidate : we know for sure the source and the target >> language (the one of the user) so a good choice for transliteration method >> is always possible, and we don't pretend it should be the way to say orally >> the name in the target language. It's just a transliteration of the >> official name. >> >> >> >> 2015-04-30 15:14 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: >> >>> Hoi, >>> It does not quality anything. It is plain wrong. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 30 April 2015 at 15:06, Joe Filceolaire <filceola...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Exactly. The "official name " property always has the name in the >>>> original script. But we can and should have the transliteration in a >>>> qualifier. >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> On 30 Apr 2015 06:13, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> We transliterate every name from one script to the other. >>>>> Transliteration the official name is exactly the one you should not >>>>> transliterate.. What is left after transliteration is not official. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> GerardM >>>>> >>>>> On 29 April 2015 at 18:54, Thomas Douillard < >>>>> thomas.douill...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's always possible to transliterate the official name >>>>>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1448>property. Of course >>>>>> this should be done by a gadget, or we may have to find a special >>>>>> treatment >>>>>> for the ''name'' properties. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2015-04-28 23:06 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire <filceola...@gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree up to a point. Transliteration is not appropriate for labels >>>>>>> for all items. There are however a few categories of items for which >>>>>>> transliterated labels are appropriate. For example : >>>>>>> * English labels for villages and towns >>>>>>> * English labels for people >>>>>>> *English labels for bands and albums >>>>>>> I'm sure there are others that could use this too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>> On 27 Apr 2015 18:09, "Leon Liesener" <leon.liese...@wikipedia.de> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The problem with ISO is that it's a standard for >>>>>>>> language-independent >>>>>>>> transliteration to Latin script. Since labels on Wikidata are >>>>>>>> language-dependent, making use of ISO does not make sense really. If >>>>>>>> you use ISO for Russian names in Cyrillic script, the label you get >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> not in English. It's still in Russian but transliterated to Latin >>>>>>>> script. ISO thus would only fit as an alias for the Russian >>>>>>>> interface >>>>>>>> language, if at all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2015-04-26 22:39 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen < >>>>>>>> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>> > Hoi, >>>>>>>> > <grin> ISO is a reliable source; it is THE standard </grin> >>>>>>>> Wikipedia is >>>>>>>> > definitely not a standard by its own admission. >>>>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>>>> > GerardM >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > On 26 April 2015 at 22:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter <pute...@mccme.ru> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> On 2015-04-26 22:33, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Hoi >>>>>>>> >>> My point is that it is not a given that we should follow any >>>>>>>> WIkipedia >>>>>>>> >>> for anything. Also the point of romanisation of Russian is not >>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>> >>> benefit of Russian speakers, it is for the speakers of English. >>>>>>>> >>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>> GerardM >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> On one hand, yes. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> On the other hand, no reliable source uses ISO. When NYT writes >>>>>>>> about a >>>>>>>> >> Russian person, they do not use ISO, they use what the English >>>>>>>> Wikipedia >>>>>>>> >> uses or smth similar. In my passport, they do not use ISO >>>>>>>> (fortunately), why >>>>>>>> >> should then ISO be used on Wikidata in an entry about me? >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Cheers >>>>>>>> >> Yaroslav >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>> >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> > Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>> > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >
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