Hoi,
When the point is to express how an official name is to be pronounced, IPA
is in order not a text in another script.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 1 May 2015 at 11:04, Bene* <benestar.wikime...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> this is what the monolingual text datatype is for. The labels however are
> multilingual and should provide users in all languages an idea how the name
> is said.
>
> Best regards
> Bene
>
>
> Am 01.05.2015 um 07:14 schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
>
> Hoi,
> It is still a bad idea. An official name exists only in one language.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 30 April 2015 at 18:50, Thomas Douillard <thomas.douill...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I meant "add automatically the transliteration", not replace the name.
>>
>> This is a good candidate : we know for sure the source and the target
>> language (the one of the user) so a good choice for transliteration method
>> is always possible, and we don't pretend it should be the way to say orally
>> the name in the target language. It's just a transliteration of the
>> official name.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2015-04-30 15:14 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hoi,
>>> It does not quality anything. It is plain wrong.
>>> Thanks,
>>> GerardM
>>>
>>> On 30 April 2015 at 15:06, Joe Filceolaire <filceola...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Exactly. The "official name " property always has the name in the
>>>> original script. But we can and should have the transliteration in a
>>>> qualifier.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>> On 30 Apr 2015 06:13, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>> We transliterate every name from one script to the other.
>>>>> Transliteration the official name is exactly the one you should not
>>>>> transliterate.. What is left after transliteration is not official.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29 April 2015 at 18:54, Thomas Douillard <
>>>>> thomas.douill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's always possible to transliterate the official name
>>>>>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1448>property. Of course
>>>>>> this should be done by a gadget, or we may have to find a special
>>>>>> treatment
>>>>>> for the ''name'' properties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2015-04-28 23:06 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire <filceola...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree up to a point. Transliteration is not appropriate for labels
>>>>>>> for all items. There are however a few categories of items for which
>>>>>>> transliterated labels are appropriate. For example :
>>>>>>> * English labels for villages and towns
>>>>>>> * English labels for people
>>>>>>> *English labels for bands and albums
>>>>>>> I'm sure there are others that could use this too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>> On 27 Apr 2015 18:09, "Leon Liesener" <leon.liese...@wikipedia.de>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The problem with ISO is that it's a standard for
>>>>>>>> language-independent
>>>>>>>> transliteration to Latin script. Since labels on Wikidata are
>>>>>>>> language-dependent, making use of ISO does not make sense really. If
>>>>>>>> you use ISO for Russian names in Cyrillic script, the label you get
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> not in English. It's still in Russian but transliterated to Latin
>>>>>>>> script. ISO thus would only fit as an alias for the Russian
>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>> language, if at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2015-04-26 22:39 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <
>>>>>>>> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>> > Hoi,
>>>>>>>> > <grin> ISO is a reliable source; it is THE standard </grin>
>>>>>>>> Wikipedia is
>>>>>>>> > definitely not a standard by its own admission.
>>>>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>>>>> > GerardM
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On 26 April 2015 at 22:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter <pute...@mccme.ru>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On 2015-04-26 22:33, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> Hoi
>>>>>>>> >>> My point is that it is not a given that we should follow any
>>>>>>>> WIkipedia
>>>>>>>> >>> for anything. Also the point of romanisation of Russian is not
>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>> >>> benefit of Russian speakers, it is for the speakers of English.
>>>>>>>> >>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> >>> GerardM
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On one hand, yes.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On the other hand, no reliable source uses ISO. When NYT writes
>>>>>>>> about a
>>>>>>>> >> Russian person, they do not use ISO, they use what the English
>>>>>>>> Wikipedia
>>>>>>>> >> uses or smth similar. In my passport, they do not use ISO
>>>>>>>> (fortunately), why
>>>>>>>> >> should then ISO be used on Wikidata in an entry about me?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Cheers
>>>>>>>> >> Yaroslav
>>>>>>>> >>
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