I think the canopy 450 will do something like 30 down and 10 up. So that could
give you 20 simultaneously which statistically could work if you had 50-100 on
an AP.
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From: Travis Johnson
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple Canopy AP
is going to solve the problem? Let's say you are allocating 10Mbps downlink on
this AP... that would mean 5 customers per AP (@ 2Mbps each). Nobody in this
market can survive on those ratios.
This service needs capped and people that want it can pay for "video
streaming" which is $100/month extra... that would be my vote.
Travis
Microserv
Drew Lentz wrote:
In areas like yours, though, some would argue that is the perfect place for
some type of licensed LTE/WiMAX type of service. Even with a Canopy type
service it would beat down the doors of the telco offering only 3Mbps of
service. As more and more devices have bandwidth requirements, the service
providers will fall into line, I believe.
Everyone has always pushed for more bandwidth, but it as always come from
the customers as opposed to the devices. It seems like now, the device
requirements will leave the customer with no choice and force them into a
decision of higher consumption.
As far as furthering the digital divide, I don't think it will hurt it all
that bad. On the contrary what would be nice to see is the communications
mediums becoming less expensive because of the amount of services required.
Just like the price of bandwidth has changed over the years, I think it will
continue to drop. I would love to see some research data on the cost per MB
over the last 10 years and see what the trend is like.
That combined with less expensive and functional equipment (UBNT's Bullet,
the introduction of Mikrotik years ago, for examples) gives operators the
ability to put more bandwidth than before in users hands at a fraction of
the cost.
I think more than anything it will come down to a backhaul battle. Fiber to
the node, fiber to the AP, high capacity microwave links (Bridgewave,
Dragonwave, Ceragon, etc) These are all going to be critically important to
aggregate and transport these huge amounts of data.
On 11/24/08 1:06 AM, "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It will further the digital divide. Rural remote locations will be again left
in the boon docks. Where I live, 3 meg DSL is the fastest available connection
at $75/mth. Cheapest T1 here is over $600/mth, and fiber? forget it, can't get
it unless you want to build about 4 towers just to backhaul, or pay $1200/mth
for each cell tower to put them on.
Why should the small ISP's foot the bill for Netflix and these companies that
are making million's of dollars more than we are?
Scottie
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From: Drew Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:41:41 -0600
I'm all for open systems. Limiting the amount of bandwidth at any level is,
to me, a terrible thing to do. I understand that it doesn't necessarily fit
the model as it applies to today's business for many ISPs, but, maybe its
time to change the model.
This is where the separation of providers starts to take shape. The networks
that can handle these loads and supply the end-user are going to win the
customers. I honestly think the demand of large scale bandwidth is going to
be fed to the end-user by the consumer electronics market. Look at CES last
year. Look how many devices demand connectivity at certain levels. If your
current service provider can't get you what you need, there will always be
someone else who can.
There is some great info here from a recent conference:
http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/citi/events/summit2008
Take a look at the slides. I like the reference to the slide where it breaks
down how much bandwidth utilization there is expected to be per household:
35+ Mbps (and those are numbers from 2006!)
4 VoIP lines @ 100Kbps
2 SDTVs @ 2Mbps
2 HDTVs @ 9 Mbps
1 Gaming device @ 1Mbps
1 High Spedd Internet @ 10Mbps
Scary how quickly it adds up :)
My favorite quote:
³By the year 2010 bandwidth for 20 homes will generate more traffic than
entire Internet in 1995²
-d
On 11/24/08 12:24 AM, "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote:
It will be interesting to see how this plays out... the amount of
bandwidth required to sustain this type of service is not cost
effective. My upstream costs alone are over $50/Mbps. So if someone
wants to run a constant 2Mbps stream, my raw cost is $100 per month
(not including backhaul, support, AP costs, etc.).
Wait until people realize that this type of service isn't going to
be "free" as they think now.... when they get a $150/month internet
bill, the $40 for DishTV will look pretty good. ;)
Even the cable companies are feeling the burn here:
http://tinyurl.com/3oufk8
Or a better story:
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1034_3-5079624.html
I am glad to see these types of reports coming out. The cable ops
and telcos have been rapidly trying to commoditize Internet access
services and now they are realizing how stupid that was. In my
opinion, high profile companies that are setting these limits are
going to help the smaller guys (that's us) "get away" with what, in
many cases, we were already doing. BW caps are something that will
HAVE to happen in one form or another.
<RANT>
Where are all the net neutrality people now? Why aren't you all
arguing that something like this is not relevant? Isn't this
something that you have all asked for? I mean, if I sell someone a
2 meg connection, shouldn't they (and everyone else on the system)
be able to run at 2 meg for the whole month? What difference does
it make if I am buying a wireless connection, DSL or cable
connection? In a net neutral environment, should it matter that I
am streaming this type of content?
</RANT>
I feel better. ;-)
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