But that's what I am saying... I don't think you can over-subscribe streaming TV/Movies like you can internet. What happens when someone wants to watch TV and it doesn't work because there is no bandwidth available? :(
Travis Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > I think the canopy 450 will do something like 30 down and 10 up. So that > could give you 20 simultaneously which statistically could work if you had > 50-100 on an AP. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Travis Johnson > To: WISPA General List > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:30 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > > > You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple Canopy AP > is going to solve the problem? Let's say you are allocating 10Mbps downlink > on this AP... that would mean 5 customers per AP (@ 2Mbps each). Nobody in > this market can survive on those ratios. > > This service needs capped and people that want it can pay for "video > streaming" which is $100/month extra... that would be my vote. > > Travis > Microserv > > Drew Lentz wrote: > In areas like yours, though, some would argue that is the perfect place for > some type of licensed LTE/WiMAX type of service. Even with a Canopy type > service it would beat down the doors of the telco offering only 3Mbps of > service. As more and more devices have bandwidth requirements, the service > providers will fall into line, I believe. > > Everyone has always pushed for more bandwidth, but it as always come from > the customers as opposed to the devices. It seems like now, the device > requirements will leave the customer with no choice and force them into a > decision of higher consumption. > > As far as furthering the digital divide, I don't think it will hurt it all > that bad. On the contrary what would be nice to see is the communications > mediums becoming less expensive because of the amount of services required. > Just like the price of bandwidth has changed over the years, I think it will > continue to drop. I would love to see some research data on the cost per MB > over the last 10 years and see what the trend is like. > > That combined with less expensive and functional equipment (UBNT's Bullet, > the introduction of Mikrotik years ago, for examples) gives operators the > ability to put more bandwidth than before in users hands at a fraction of > the cost. > > I think more than anything it will come down to a backhaul battle. Fiber to > the node, fiber to the AP, high capacity microwave links (Bridgewave, > Dragonwave, Ceragon, etc) These are all going to be critically important to > aggregate and transport these huge amounts of data. > > > > > On 11/24/08 1:06 AM, "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It will further the digital divide. Rural remote locations will be again > left > in the boon docks. Where I live, 3 meg DSL is the fastest available connection > at $75/mth. Cheapest T1 here is over $600/mth, and fiber? forget it, can't get > it unless you want to build about 4 towers just to backhaul, or pay $1200/mth > for each cell tower to put them on. > > Why should the small ISP's foot the bill for Netflix and these companies that > are making million's of dollars more than we are? > > Scottie > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Drew Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:41:41 -0600 > > I'm all for open systems. Limiting the amount of bandwidth at any level > is, > to me, a terrible thing to do. I understand that it doesn't necessarily fit > the model as it applies to today's business for many ISPs, but, maybe its > time to change the model. > > This is where the separation of providers starts to take shape. The networks > that can handle these loads and supply the end-user are going to win the > customers. I honestly think the demand of large scale bandwidth is going to > be fed to the end-user by the consumer electronics market. Look at CES last > year. Look how many devices demand connectivity at certain levels. If your > current service provider can't get you what you need, there will always be > someone else who can. > > There is some great info here from a recent conference: > http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/citi/events/summit2008 > > Take a look at the slides. I like the reference to the slide where it breaks > down how much bandwidth utilization there is expected to be per household: > 35+ Mbps (and those are numbers from 2006!) > 4 VoIP lines @ 100Kbps > 2 SDTVs @ 2Mbps > 2 HDTVs @ 9 Mbps > 1 Gaming device @ 1Mbps > 1 High Spedd Internet @ 10Mbps > > Scary how quickly it adds up :) > > My favorite quote: > ³By the year 2010 bandwidth for 20 homes will generate more traffic than > entire Internet in 1995² > > -d > > > On 11/24/08 12:24 AM, "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: > > It will be interesting to see how this plays out... the amount of > bandwidth required to sustain this type of service is not cost > effective. My upstream costs alone are over $50/Mbps. So if someone > wants to run a constant 2Mbps stream, my raw cost is $100 per month > (not including backhaul, support, AP costs, etc.). > > Wait until people realize that this type of service isn't going to > be "free" as they think now.... when they get a $150/month internet > bill, the $40 for DishTV will look pretty good. ;) > Even the cable companies are feeling the burn here: > http://tinyurl.com/3oufk8 > > Or a better story: > http://news.cnet.com/2100-1034_3-5079624.html > > I am glad to see these types of reports coming out. The cable ops > and telcos have been rapidly trying to commoditize Internet access > services and now they are realizing how stupid that was. In my > opinion, high profile companies that are setting these limits are > going to help the smaller guys (that's us) "get away" with what, in > many cases, we were already doing. BW caps are something that will > HAVE to happen in one form or another. > > <RANT> > Where are all the net neutrality people now? Why aren't you all > arguing that something like this is not relevant? Isn't this > something that you have all asked for? I mean, if I sell someone a > 2 meg connection, shouldn't they (and everyone else on the system) > be able to run at 2 meg for the whole month? What difference does > it make if I am buying a wireless connection, DSL or cable > connection? In a net neutral environment, should it matter that I > am streaming this type of content? > </RANT> > > I feel better. ;-) > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > WISPA Wants You! 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